Bennetts have been doing test on motorcycle chains/locks on all the up to date stuff putting both Almax and Pragmasis in these tests.
And for years people have been going on about which one is better between Pragmasis and Almax and from the tests so far with the 16mm and 19mm chain lock combo’s the Pragmasis chains/locks have beaten the Almax chains/locks in every test back to back “time-wise”
As we know a grinder cuts just about anything but the new spinning Round lock Pragmasis sell could not be cut by the grinder due to the way it spins on there test and the links on the Pragmasis chains held up longer than the Almax chains, also against sledge hammer attacks the Pragmasis lasted longer than the Almax.
Grinder resistance is probably the most relevant test these days and under 30 seconds to cut a 19mm chain (albeit with a mains powered grinder) means that the benefits of ever larger chains are pretty limited now.
Grinder resistance is probably the most relevant test these days and under 30 seconds to cut a 19mm chain (albeit with a mains powered grinder) means that the benefits of ever larger chains are pretty limited now.
monkimark
As above the grinder wins hands down every time regardless of chain, but on a side note the Pragmasis Round-lock could not be cut or opened even by the grinder due to the fact the lock is free-spinning and is not a solid lock as such which is a good thing as the grinder can not cut it at one single point without it spinning, I have one and have said from day one this little lock was the best thing I had seen.
Also looking at the sledge hammer attacks the pragmasis chain links held out much longer than the Almax chain links infact the 19mm Pragmasis chain link would not break full stop and they gave up in the end, some of the times on the Almax chain attacks looked average at best.
am I missing something on the roundlock though? can it only be used in the sytle of a link going through a link on the chain? if that is the case it could be the best lock on the planet but the weakest link is chain!
am I missing something on the roundlock though? can it only be used in the sytle of a link going through a link on the chain? if that is the case it could be the best lock on the planet but the weakest link is chain!
The Sleeper
The link is always going to be the weakest link if say left on the ground, have it off the ground and cutting a link mid air will take time and be more tricky hence why seller of any chain will always say if possible always try to keep the chain off the floor/ground as it makes it much harder to cut even with power tools.
I have the Pragmasis roundlock and it can also be used as I disc lock as the pin that spins between the top and bottom of the lock is like 21-23mm thick so it would fit inside a disc on bikes with bigger brake discs that have holes/space to fit a big disc lock…
But to have a lock that the grinder could not beat has to be a good thing regardless of what chain is used, as at the end of the day any product that makes it harder for the scum to steal has to be a good thing regardless of who makes it pragmasis, almax, oxford, etc etc…
am I missing something on the roundlock though? can it only be used in the sytle of a link going through a link on the chain? if that is the case it could be the best lock on the planet but the weakest link is chain!
The Sleeper
The link is always going to be the weakest link if say left on the ground, have it off the ground and cutting a link mid air will take time and be more tricky hence why seller of any chain will always say if possible always try to keep the chain off the floor/ground as it makes it much harder to cut even with power tools. I have the Pragmasis roundlock and it can also be used as I disc lock as the pin that spins between the top and bottom of the lock is like 21-23mm thick so it would fit inside a disc on bikes with bigger brake discs that have holes/space to fit a big disc lock.. But to have a lock that the grinder could not beat has to be a good thing regardless of what chain is used, as at the end of the day any product that makes it harder for the scum to steal has to be a good thing regardless of who makes it pragmasis, almax, oxford, etc etc....
pimlico-SW1
@serrisan - cheers that’s what I mean if it can be used as a disc lock then it’s a thumbs up for me and will look into one.
If it could only be used on a chain then you’d be no better with any lock in reality if you get what I’m getting at (clearly not saying us an Argos lock etc)
There are two versions of the Pragmasis Roundlock the RL21 for 16mm chains and the RL21A for use with 19mm chains, both can also be used as disc locks if you have a gap of over 21mm on your brake disc as the pin as such in the middle is 21mm+ which is massive, you will never find a disc lock pin even close to that size.
It’s smart how it works, it’s a two part lock and not one solid unit which is why it spins, overall even if you use it without a chain it would be by far the best and strongest disc lock on the market by far.
We were unable to break this lock. Using a sledge hammer we repeatedly struck it, leaving only dents in the casing regardless of the angle of attack. We gave up on the angle grinder after 80 seconds (longer than it takes to cut any chain) as the grinder was bucking dangerously. After both tests, the lock still opened and closed.
The Roundlock seems like the best disclock you can get provided you can fit it through your disc and you don't need an alarm. And at 40 quid it's a steal.
