utter bull$h1t!!! 
This is tosh…from LCC.
Boris is already feeling the strain with the bendy bus issue, if he has t U-turn on Bikes in buslanes (being a “militant cyclist” himself) after stating he would put the proposal through he will screw himself royaly.
We have to make ourselves heard and louder than the LCC if and when we need to. It is not the cyclist we need worry about it’s the jealous fat cats stuck in chaufer driven cars who hold the power.
Also agree that Boris would be nuts to backtrack.
Can’t see him backtracking myself.
I’m a natural Tory voter and if he does backtrack I’ll NEVER vote for them again.
Can we just have running battles with the cyclists, as that seems more fun.
Contact glue on pedels and handlebar is a fav…
(just a joke, I cycle to attempt to stay in shape)
Jousting should be allowed. Impact from motorcyclist in full gear versus cyclist in lycra should be fun…
what are we supposed to do, to make any safe progress in this city,
Letter in Evening Standard last night from one Chris Peck from National Cyclists Association
“Not only are motorcycles more likely to be involved in collisions causing injury to cyclists and pedestrians: their emissions of particulates, volotile organic compounds and various other chemicals are 5 - 11 times worse than the average petrol car”
WTF? Complete lies every single so called fact.
If this bozo was putting that in a advert he could be fined by the Advertisng Standards lot.
Apparently, just after this quote, he was seen leaving on the back of one of those flying pig’s that everybody raves about!!! 
What a nobber! Surely you would do your homework on the subject matter before you go and make a liar out of yourself in front of every Evening Standard reader!!!.. As for the interview at the Ace, it went well. There were some excellent points put across by both guys that were interviewed, and they both came across as respectable, informative gentleman with all the fact’s in front of them from the various groups (TFL etc…). I can’t remember the names of those doing the interview, but one of them is a writer for “The Riders Digest” and a fellow LB’er. I’d just like to reiterate that he and the other guy did the motorbike community proud… 
And, I also managed to sticker the BBC Live Feed Sattelite Van!!! :w00t: Just to make sure they won’t be forgetting their trip to the Ace! :D:P Mission accomplished!!! 
Before this all gets daft, can I just point out that I ride both.
I do stop at lights, I do wear helmet and lights on my bike, and I do show respect to bikers and get out of their way so they can get through.
I don’t think its very productive to go into a conflict with cyclists to show that we should cooperate. You will get far better results if you demonstrate the motorbikers are respectful and prepared to share the bus lane idea with cyclists where they are being BOLSHY and refusing to be mature about things.
Its also then very easy to point out the massive failings of cyclists once our image as mature and respectable bikers has been established.
I know I’m not the most diplomatic, but you always beat the other guy by presenting yourself in an argument, as cooperative, friendly and caring and let the other morons hang themselves… cos NO ONE is perfect… even us.
for a cyclist you are rare indeed (and welcome, I cycled too until a scally stole my bike), its a sad state of affairs when your comment (in bold) bears very little weight in a discussion due to the stupid actions of the majority of cyclists in London :ermm:Adzski’s video shows inexcusable actions that are all too familiar; every single daymaybe need to get those lite cops to have road safety action days every now and then; start giving out tickets to cyclistsif you have a road licence for car/bike (and cyclists should have one anyway) can they bung points on your licence for bad cycling?
This might be a first, but I agree with Toby! This would be a better plan, but will the cyclist lobby be willing to engage in dialog with us, not a statistic flinging match, as this would inevitably be open to far too much interpretation, but as you say, bikes and PTW can exist in harmony in bus lanes, this should be the idea promoted, they look out for us and we look out for them.
Actually had a depp loko at the DoT 2006 report, and what LCC say is right, but they have taken a bit of manipulation to get there. Per kilometer miles, a bike is more likely to hit a cyclist than a car, taking into account all roads. (319 accidents per 52100 million km travelled (6.17 ratio) for PTW vs. 4024 accidents per 11,149100 million km travelled (3.2 ratio) )
BUT that is pure figures, and does not take into account how the accidents happened, outcomes and whether bus lanes were involved, so it can add to but not directly relate to the issue (they say we will be a danger to cyclists if we use a bus lane).
Totally agree with the above sentiment. But, it seems like we are being misrepresented in the public eye. It has sadly come to the point where you need to be outspoken and brash if you want your point to be heard! I’m not saying that we need to scale the houses of parliament in batman costumes, but we do need to be openly against this stupidity that is being displayed by the more hardcore cyclists! I’m not calling for all out war, just that we also get our time on a soapbox, so we can ensure the public and members of parliament are not swayed by fact’s that are as ludicrous as the people making them!
So we are less likely to hit a car because cars travel more Km? Absurd use of statistics as it doesn’t measure anything relevant. For example, cyclists are most likely to hit stationary objects according to all the figures. How do you work out the accidents per Km for a brick wall?
very dissapointing this. A bus lane could have a simple dotted line down the middle, cyclists on left and motorcycles on right and speeding could be carefully monitored. The same could be done for the cycle boxes at traffic lights.
Could it be that TFL would lose too much fine revenue by allowing motorbikes into bus lanes?
how about we set up a system that fines cyclists too? The problem is cyclists don’t have to have a numberplate and therefor can do whatever it that pleases them and don’t have to worry about CCTV fines. Its fine to be sprouting stats and claiming they would be a danger but let’s face it- the vast majority of london cyclists ride as if they make up the rules as they go along. Apologies to any responsible cyclists reading this that don’t- but your brethren let you down.
What about the motorbikes in bus lane test on A13? how many cyclists were killed in that? none.
Boris - No u-turn allowed!!!
I showed this stat purely for that reason, and followed it up with the following paragraph about how stats should not be used as weapons. This is the stat that is quoted on the main LCC website as why Bikers should not be in Bus lanes, and initially thought it was tosh, but a quick delve into the figures and was able to pull those out, of course they are skewed, but easily translates into ‘bikers are harmful to cyclists’ - which is wrong.
So hence the agreement with Toby, that a good natured dialog and not resorting to facts and figures is probably a good way to go.
Thanks to everyone who did their bit, whether they got to be interviewed or not. 
Yesterday I was looking at cyclists’ fora to see what they are saying and it was quite a revelation.They seem to be split and there is no clear consensus. All those against us using bus lanes appear to be from London and have no experience of such schemes, but there are quite a few from Bristol which has already introduced such a scheme, and they are reporting that it is working out well.
This may seem not that significant on the surface, but actually what it does do is completely undermine the LCC/Green Party position on this subject!!
http://www.bikeradar.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=12573588&highlight=bus+lanes
http://www.bikeradar.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=12571347&sid=0654de6d42cace8ca902d5e3a19be143
Never caught it on the box, but the cyclists come out as almost fascist! There she is cycling down the BUS LANE, complaining about bikes, with no safety gear on and getting blasted around by buses, and how fast bikes are, well compare to every other road user you are the slowest so everything is faster.
The council bloke stated that it was safer all round.
I’m just tired of the cyclist. I vote for one of two things:
- We are allowed in as it is proved to be safer, or
- Ban everything that isn’t a bus, after all it is a bus lane.
I agree with you Ian - I was just testing the proposition to absurdity.
As someone who cycled every day for over 30 years I very much feel that cyclists and bikers share far more in common than most of us realise.