I don’t think he said anyone was a Nazi, what he said was that the flag waving we see today is reminiscent of the Nazi period in Germany.
But then, why should we allow the facts to get in the way of a good piece of rhetoric. 
"…the spirit of 1939 Germany now pervades throughout media-brand Britain… "
That’s a direct quote from the piece. That’s the fact, yours is the rhetoric. Yet again …
Exactly Slipper, I was just about to respond to Kaos with exactly the same words :hehe:
Taken out of context.
The entire piece is about the flag waving nationalism, in that context, he is saying THAT spirit now pervades.
That is not the same as saying anyone is a Nazi.
I am not sure how you can’t see that this is a huge leap.
“You are wearing the same colour as the Nazi uniform”
All of a sudden that means the person making that point is saying you are a Nazi?
Really?
“Nationalism”? There’s no “nationalism” here. Waving a few Union flags and cheering on Team GB hardly constitutes “nationalism”.
Kaos - do you seriously think that supporting one’s national team in a major sporting event constitutes “an extreme form of patriotism marked by a feeling of superiority over other countries”?
Who waved what flags ? I never saw any flags ?
I don’t give too much of a sh*t about Morrissey’s political opinions.
I’d just like to meet the man that told Morrisssey he had talent and could sing and kick seven shades out of the bloke.
<sigh>…
Let’s get a couple of things straight, I did not post a link to this article to get a pat on the back and a reinforcement of my beliefs, I posted it to bring a ridiculous analogy on the part of Morrissey to the LondonBikers collective.
Should everyone adhere to my point of view, of course not. However, my belief is that if you think an analogy between the patriotism being displayed during the Olympics has any similarity to the patriotism seen in Nazi Germany in 1939 then you are either one of two things: a) completely ignorant of history and life in Germany under the Nazi’s in 1939 or b) an attention seeking little c#nt like Morrissey and in this case you.
Thing is Kaos you ALWAYS have to take the alternative view, it is your default setting, because you love the attention, you love to try and push people’s buttons to illicit a reaction. Do I believe you really can see a corelation between the British patriotism and the Germans in 1939? No I don’t actually think you really deep down do believe they are similar. What I believe is you are being a stupid little troll, who gets his kicks from winding people up and you are as transparent as a pane of glass, therefore I decided to keep my response short and sweet.
And whilst this might ONLY be the internet, my very good friend theprawn, who knows me quite well, knows full well that I would call you a c#nt to your face as much as say it on the internet.
I don’t necessarily condone Morissey’s stance, however…
We need him and others like him. I’ll explain…
There is an alternative view of our world and how it is managed by the powers that be. Often discussing this with your average man on the street, you’ll see their eyes glaze over. When your world is narrated by The Sun Newspaper, the annual X-factor compo’s and Jeremy Kyle, you can sort of understand why they have a distorted view of reality. If you still believe you live in a democracy that is.
Now, many of us here were brought up to respect authority. To do as we’re told and not ask questions. You can tell that when discussing politics and commerce, it often doesn’t even feature on their radar. But it should, they after all are potentially the voting public.
So, Morrisey may not be entirely on point with his remarks… but at least he questions and has in fact, unlike many in this country, exercised his freedom of speech.
b2r…
No problem with people not buying in to the whole flag waving, Royal Britannia thing. We don’t all have to go along with that, I 100% agree.
However to draw parallels with Nazi Germany is a step too far. It sickens me when people cheapen the memory of those that died because of the Nazis (I am talking about soldiers etc as well as the 13m who died in concentration camps) to be controversial and get their voice heard.
There are NO similarities between the patriotism we are seeing at the moment because of the Olympics and the German patriotism of Nazi Germany…
I completely agree. His comments could be and are considered insulting.
But,
In this day and age, people are so stuck on the official line, that when people stand up and stick their neck out to voice their views, I’m not totally prepared to condemn them. I believe many of us have forgotten that we have our own minds, judgement and responsibility. We can decide for ourselves whether what is being said is right or wrong.
My point is, if you start stamping on people, because they had the courage to speak out. Then pretty soon, some will lose the opportunity to say something really relevant and life changing.
Let people judge him on their own fair and factual knowledge. But let him speak.
Thing is B2R…EVERYBODY has a line they would not accept being crossed when someone exercises their right to freedom of speech.
You could be the most liberal “hey whatever anyone wants to say is ok with me” person in the world, but still somewhere there will be a line where that person will say “Woah! Woah! That is too far”.
For me to compare Britians waving the Union Jack and being patriotic about their country to the Germans in 1939 is too much and quite frankly stupid.
I simply cannot accept this point of view. As I said earlier I found all the patriotism of last year’s Royal Wedding sickening and laughable in equal measure. Would I compare those that stood on the Mall waving flags to the Germans who gave Nazi salutes and waved swastikas? Of course not, that would be ridiculous.
Let us be clear, by 1939 German patriotism amongst other things had made Jews 2nd class citizens who could be killed, stolen from and abused with no consequence. Is that really in any way connected to what we see today in our country? Really?
+1 with an extra extra heavy steel toe cap insert
Yes, I believe you are right in what you are saying. I agree with you completely.
But, here’s the thing.
Government are clamping down on social networks like Twatter. Of course people shouldn’t be posting obscene comments, Tom Daley’s being one for example. Personally, having been one, I believe it should be a job for the moderators, to address these comments, in anything but the most extreme of cases, i.e. death threats.
Further, it seems Government are requesting IP addresses from forums for anyone speaking out against policy etc. Dangerous I’m sure you’ll agree.
Freedom of speech is being attacked from every angle, the internet is one of its last bastions. In condeming Morrisey for his callous comments, we run the danger of providing excuses for having our liberties removed. Freedom of speech once lost, will never be recovered.
In some ways, I would rather have Morissey say what he has, and have people judge him, than him not being able to say it at all.
b2r…
He can say it if he likes and it’s effect on the world will be fairly negilble.
But I will still think he is c#nt for making the comparison to the Nazis and let’s be honest he is just saying it to draw attention to his opinion (bit like Kaos).
He is an intelligent guy (as is Kaos I am guessing, as you can’t pass a law degree if you are a dim-wit), so I doubt he is making these comments because of a lack of understanding about what Nazism in 1930’s Germany was all about. It is as transparent as Kaos’s comments as an attempt to draw attention to themselves…
Yep. A prize **** he is.
But whats important, is no-one took away your opportunity to appraise what he said, or indeed his opportunity to say it.
He has been summarily judged by his peers (you) and found to be an ass hat. Society will do the same, as long as they hold the facts to do so (Another issue). And that’s what matters. You don’t so much have to worry about what he said, more that your fellow man knows the true facts enough to draw a logical and fair conclusion of their own.
Responsibility is whats missing today. Responsibilty for my own and your own actions. Teach that at home and in school and your half way there. Responsibiliy negates the need for the nanny state. And lets people think for themselves.
He is a confused old man isnt he?
Slipper…
Looks like my initial analysis of the man is fairly accurate 
B2R…
OK…here is what I think is a reasonable analogy to what I am saying. There are some people out there who believe that women who wear revealing clothing are asking to be raped. Now you or I might think that the person who has that opinion is a c#nt and we might openly call them a c#nt as well. It is their opinion, they are entitled to it, I am not going to try and stop them from saying it, but I will think that they are a c#nt.
Simples.
OK, thats fine. Then you have fullfilled your responsibility as a member of society. His view or your own may and indeed should go forward to shape our society.
But, my question is, do you know why he said what he said?
In addressing the issue of the queen, he may have a point. For example, do you know what the Lisbon treaty is, the Queens involvement in it and its effect on your status as a sovereign of this country. If you did, you may have a further view on Mr Morrisey.
I am aware of the Lisbon Treaty, not aware of the Queen’s involvement in it nor do I see the connection with Morrissey’s Nazi analogy.
Please explain…