Nah, I use them. I actually use them more than most cos most of them are free to go in except during peak times… go figure… most cagers just don’t know how to read the signs, fine by me though.
Yeah I probably would disagree with most things Tory, Thatcher and co left a nasty scar on me and a lot of people I know. Plus veering right has always scared me… you do realise the Tories are just the acceptable public face of the BNP… like Sinn Fein are the acceptable public face of the IRA… sure there’s no direct links but the idea is sound in principal… just like Laboutr is the acceptable public face of Socialism, equally as repugnant an idea to capitalists as the BNP is to lefties…
actually there are direct links with sinn fein and the ira, but due to the sensitive nature of northern ireland, not much was done about it (except blocking the voice of gerry adams yrs ago)
Well as I seem to be the voice of the opposition to all things knee jerk and reacitonary, I shall take this opportunity to respond. Sure let’s ban things that smell, but does that include people who’ve worked hard during the day… they STINK… how about LOUD people, I hate them… then there’s the long hairs, BOOO don’t they realise how disrespectful it is to have long hair in this day and age… Sure everyone has their pet hates, but it society better for having lots of different views, attitudes and ways of life… do you really all want to be the same, think the same, look the same, drive the same 5 door hatch back, go to the same destination on holiday… GOD WHAT A BORING WORLD THAT WOULD BE…
No your view isn’t right wing, its just very close minded and incredibly egotistical… maybe the bloke who’s eating that stinky kebab thinks your after shave sucks. Should his right to eat his dinner after a hard day’s work without hanging around your pong mean he can have you kicked off the train?
I don’t think even you believe that Toby, come on, it’s fine having a pop at the Tories if you don’t like their policies but lets not confuse a bunch of evil, racist BNP bastrads with normal politicians who simply don’t share your views . . . and if you do believe that then you need t go and have a quiet chat with yourself in a dark room
“does that include people who’ve worked hard during the day”. Yes. Employers have to provide places to wash when you finish work i.e. a sink. If you stink- wash the pits!
“how about LOUD people”. Yes. Why do you nered to be loud on a closed environment like a train?
Long hair isn’t anti-social unless you don’t wash it and it stinks.
No I don’t think everyone should or could be the same thankfully.
"No your view isn’t right wing, its just very close minded and incredibly egotistical… ". Bit strong that. I’d say maybe take a look in the mirror on that one.
“maybe the bloke who’s eating that stinky kebab thinks your after shave sucks.” I don’t wear aftershave- it stinks:P
“Should his right to eat his dinner after a hard day’s work…” be balanced by my right to a pleasant environment to travel in having paid my £11.50 for a train ticket?
All valid, but this is the beautiful part… those are your opinions. These are mine. And the guy who stinks, they’re his… the guy eating a kebab in public, is he really hurting someone, or is it just a smell you don’t like? Surely he paid £11.50 for the right to travel too…
Opinions are like bums, we’ve all got them, and other people’s don’t always smell as familiar as our own!
drink and i think some food stuffs should not allowed on public transport at all, as mentioned kebabs etc on a tube will be discarded on the tube as you have prob all seen and not correctly in a bin so this surely will save on cleaning up which the clean up team have enough to do at the end of the night.
As we know bins are not allowed on the tube too so anything thats gonna smell and cause mess should not be allowed.
This i suppose is normally only a main problem at the end of the night when people are on way home pissed etc anyway.
Despite what it might sound like I am not some sort of hygeine obsessive compulsive- far from it:). However, the point about good and bad smells is that they are trying to tell us something- i.e. that the thing or person omitting the bad smell is not too healthy and should be avoided. That is why certain things smell unpleasant to everyone- for instance rotting meat, sewage outfalls, unwashed people etc. That IMO is the nature of smells and the reason we have a sense of smell. You’re right that there isn’t a universal preference for smells but there are sufficient common grounds for it to be reasonable to consider smells as contributing to the wellbeing or otherwise of people.
And that is the key point IMO. If you are going to travel on public transport you should have consideration for your fellow travellers, particularly when you are all crammed into an artificially ventilated tin tube. This doesn’t just mean ‘not hurting them’ but actually thinking about how your actions or inactions are affecting them positively or negatively. Eating fast food and drinking pints on a train might be positively affecting you (or at least you think it is) but on balance it is likely to negatively affect those around you. The neutral position is therefore not to eat smelly cooked food when crammed into confined spaces. Unfortunately, lots of peoples choice of food and personal hygeine leave a lot to be desired, and their lack of personal responsibility does too. Since these people are incapable or unwilling to think of the welfare of those around them others have to do it for them- and in this case IMO the train companies should be enforcing rules that make everyones journey ‘pleasant’ or at least bearable. This is nothing to do with freedom of expression or communism or nazism, its to do with common good sense and respect for others. (All above IMO)
Yeah, I can of see my freedom of speech not as a right but a responsibility…
My vote didn’t count for anything so I may as well make use of my other democratic privilige… even if I can’t spell privilige… I hate that word
Are they the mad one’s that bounce up and down on huge mattresses…
I never understood, was that an actual policy, bouncing up and down, or was that just cos everyone happened to be mad and hte only way they could do their party political broadcast was on open day at the loonie bin?
Interesting thread and certainly given Toby-I-Kenoby a chance for a good rant, or two, or…more.
Couple of bits might need a mention.
Mayor of London doesn’t give any omnipitence. Most changes have to be accepted and approved by the London Assembly. That take time. It’s unlikely that Boris will have much impact in less than, say, a year.
Where did this idea that New Labour are in any way socialist come from? The last true Labour Government was just after the second world war. (That’s the lot that gave us a National Health Service, Social Security, re-housed a few million into decent accommodation, and so on.)
NewLabour? That will be the lot that have raised taxes for the rank and file faster than any previous administration, taken us into some very expensive wars (I’ll avoid the legality matter) and passed more bad and oppressive law than any past government. Laws that are in conflict with the European Charter on Human Rights, Laws that some police forces have alreay (ab) used to the point of taking the p*ss.
All this and we are debating drinking on public transport?
Even as a died in the wool socialist, I thought Turncoat Ken had become another to**er along with thne government of the day.
