No. But limit the type of bike you can legally ride in the first to year of riding wouldn’t be a bad idea.
Heavy fine for idiot is short and t-shirt, jail uninsured driver/rider, etc…(I am sure you get my drift… Police state is only a problem when you want to brake the law (or when you get caught :hehe:)
Not quite. Those law help police preventing crimes against people and property by giving yobo’s a possible hard time before their get to pick a fight with your girlfriend just because they think it could be fun…
What need to be done is make sure that coppers have common sense during the recruitment process…
Not quite. Those law help police preventing crimes against people and property by giving yobo’s a possible hard time before their get to pick a fight with your girlfriend just because they think it could be fun…
What need to be done is make sure that coppers have common sense during the recruitment process…
The issue at stake is not removal of freedoms, it is simply abuse of freedoms that gets people there in the first place. They had the freedom, they cocked it up. Taking it away is the only way to get them to toe the line. I’m all for more responsibilities and less “freedoms”. Too much is focused on the individual “rights” instead of community/society “responsibilities”.
Its amazing how quickly old forgets what it was like to be young…
Do we live in Nazi Germany? Are the many not allowed to enjoy a drink because the few are incapable of controlling themselves… if you’re going to smugly accuse me of not thinking just because I say something you disagree with, then I you should probably go and do the same…
No connection here between the can of lager in his hand and the yobbo and the police…first he is likely to have become drunk off the bus…second the can of lager is likely to identify him to people as him being drunk so be aware, third the police rarely ride a bus…and bus drivers cant enforce the law/rule…
There are enough laws that will help the police to hold and arrest a drunken yobbo… but for those who are legitimate ‘un yobbo like’ people, ie the majority of us, we dont need a law to be told not to drink on public transport.
There’s already rules in place to censure rowdy/antisocial behaviour on the tube/bus/whatever. All this new publicity gesture does is pander to the Mail readers (who probably don’t take public transport anyway) and ADD NOTHING.
So Mr A can get on the tube completely pissed, but Mrs B can’t get on the tube sober and have a beer en route. Very sensible. Not.
The reference to Nazi Germany is rather futile and totally out of place. The reality is that people have abused civil liberties/freedoms and now face the reality of being “policed” as a result of this. There is a horrendous lack of social responsibility and a huge focus on “I’ll do what suits me - so get f*cked” going around. People need to learn to think of the greater good and actually get their heads out of their ar£**oles long enough to see the light and grow up a bit.
Thats the problem with a lot of the new laws that come out,I can almost count on two hands the amount of times I’ve seen BTP on the tube in the last ten years.Its just too vast a network for effective policing to satisfy everybody.
Yeah and idealism has always triumphed in the face of humanity.
Young people ignore the rules, test the boundaries, play up… that’s what they do, I did, I’m sure most people on here have done from time to time when they were younger and some still do now they’re old.
But stopping everyone from doing something that is relatively harmless because a minority of people go too far is just Elephant Gun to kill a Mosquito…
A) It WON’T work - how are they going to enforce it? Guards standing over every group of people that might be suspicious? Bag checks as you board trains, buses and tubes? Frisking the suspicious one’s… testing what’s in their bottles of cola? PLEASE…
B) People will try and get around it - We’re English, finding a way to get round obnoxious and draconian rules is something we’re very good at.
C) Its daft - I have a can of lager on a train and I’m not doing any harm, but because there are some kids who are stupid I can no longer peacefully go about my own business… How dumb does that sound to anyone else on here… ?
They may bring the rule in, but people will still drink on public transport…what kind of right wing weirdness is this all about… let’s hang everyone that doesn’t follow the rules and live in a way that makes Daily Mail readers feel cam and soothed…
So, June 1st, Drink a lager with a random stranger on public transport day!
Boris is funding more police on the the Public Transport system by cutting the huge “advertising” budget of GLA. They spend millions on telling people how wonderful the Tube/Buses/Trains/Trams/DLR. Instead, he is going to spend the money on making sure that people can get from A-B without being harrassed etc… I’m still all for no alcohol on Public Transport, it simply is not appropriate. Nothing about being young and pushing boundries. Simply being considerate for other travellers. No hook line sinker poster here, just my opinion, you are entitled to yours too, but I don’t have to agree with you. Democracy, you have to love it! At least we have the freedom to disagree and get thoughts out there. We can both learn from expressing our opinions.
Backtracking slightly - I remember posting a comment many months ago saying something along the lines of “regardless who wins - no bikes in bus lanes” Hate to say I told you so but i kinda have an inside track on this one.
The white paper on the subject didnt find that it significantly reduced deaths.
But this is what bothers me - I was on the MayDay run and got chatting to the lady copper in the Travelo speed van (1st lay-by on A21) She said that although we are only 1% of motorists - we make up 26% of all deaths on the roads…didnt anyone stop to ask how many of those 26% were killed because of CAR drivers hitting them?
Are all those 26% of deaths deemed to be the riders fault? or speed related? etc etc It doesnt take Sherlock holmes to figure out that if you make a mistake on a bike (or rather someone else bangs into you) it isnt as forgiving as if you were in a car!!!
i reckon toby is gonna disagree with everything a tory does anyway, so if he does bring in bus lanes for bikes (i wont hold my breath) toby, you gonna take a stance and not use em?
trouble is 26% of 3100 people killed is still small…remember there are nearly 1.5 million bikes on the road and 27 million cars registered…on that basis its so low a percentage of road users its not worth thinking about…
for instance if the road speed limit was increased to 100mph on the majority of motorways and unlimited on some, but associate this with the introduction of 5 yearly driving tests…we would enervate this country…
The roads would be safer as drivers re took their driving tests and re learned the latest rules…the new test would include some motorway travel and paperwork parts also…
The amount of deaths will likely incrrease but think about it…
65 million people in the UK…every single on of those people WILL die. Some (the biggest percentage of old age) some of heart disease, etc etc…the percentage that will die on the road is miniscule…over 100 years the figure is 3million people…for heavens sake over 80 million died in the first and second world wars fighting to free us from tyranny…
It doesnt mean we have to ignore these deaths but it does mean that we should not enforce rules upon the millions of us for the sake of the few…and especially when those deaths are actually nothing to do with the rules we introduce, of all accidents 400,000 only 7% are due to some element of speed and that does not mean speeding per se…thats just 2,800 accidents…and yet they keep on and on about speed…and now its about bikers and saving our lives…somehow I dont think it has a jot to do with speeding…more to do with the sociopolitical crap that this and all governments follow depending upon who shouts the loudest and noisiest and makes enough of a nuisance of themselves…tyranny is here and it is heading down the lines of dictatorship…
This is what I hate about politics. We’re heading into a nanny-state because the government don’t want to tackle the fundamental issues of society. No politician has the mind-set to do something pro-bono any more, it’s all about personal gain and career progression. Politics has lost sight of the goal it’s there to achieve.
IMO banning drinking alcohol on unlicensed trains does seem to be mainly a publicity stunt (love the poster ‘…making everyones journey more pleasant’ - or something) but I also agree that it’s a good idea. Unless you have a really serious problem why would you need to drink a can of lager on the tube. Like smoking really- you can have one outside before you get on and one when you get off- you don’t need a drip feeding you alcohol 24 hrs do you? Added to this is the reality that I have witnessed many times where already drunk and agressive people get more drunk and aggressive as they down the lagers on the train.
I would go further and ban the consumption of all cooked food on public transport- it STINKS! In fact there should be a Smellometer at the barriers keeping out anyone who stinks of fast food, sweat or wee- and believe me there are a lot of them out there:)
If Toby interprets this as a right-wing point of view it is his perogative but to me its just common sense for the common good
I’d agree with you, BUT banning booze on public transport does not solve anything.
There’s already legislation to censure people who are drunk. Why do we need to ban ANY drinking? What does this new law add which we didn’t have before? Nothing.
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