westminster parking

I totally agree Tiggi. :cool:

Well I don’t agree with Tiggi at all, the whole thing is morally reprehensible, they promised to provide security but they have not, they should be encouraging bikes which are far more environmentally friendly than cars or, dare I say it, public transport, but they are not, and you can bet your bottom dollar the costs will head up to the car levels in due course.It’s the thin end of the wedge. Trust me on that.Not to mention the crappy way this is administered, in which I understand you have to have a mobile phone to pay for it (with requisite phone charges each time you pay), and many people are still getting tickets even though they’ve paid.It’s poorly thought through, poorly delivered, and its success is reliant on the majority adopting the kind of attitude shown above, which I certainly hope does not prevail in the wider biking community in London, otherwise we’re all buggered.Rant over :stuck_out_tongue:

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I totally agree Tiggi. :cool:
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Do you agree with Westminster making over Ā£2.2 million income per 6 months period and all this money going into their pocket with no benefit to bikers whatsoever? Sorry I don’t… this is called robbery and a pure tax imposed on us when we do our bit to reduce congestion and pollution in London.

I may as well take my car, it will be cheaper since I live in the congestion charge zone. Will I pollute the environment 10 times more? Yes and what the hell?

As a motorist and a biker I think Ā£1.50 is very reasonable compared to other parking fees. I will gladly pay the parking fee whenever I’m in town on my bike. It’s not even the cost of a cup of coffee ffs:w00t:

If a car does 40 mpg and a bike does 40 mpg how does the bike pollute less?

A bike doesn’t sit in traffic like a petrol car, a bike can move relatively consistently through traffic. When a car is going 0mph it is still outputting pollution, thus using more MPG than a bike. We are not saying petrol bikes are pollution free but they DO produce less than petrol cars because of their efficiency. The most modern scooters and motorcycles that have to meet strict Euro 3 emissions ratings pollute far less.

If I fill up my bike for £5 it will last me for a weeks commuting to a from work, my petrol car could never do this, it consumes much more petrol, thus outputs more polluting gases.

This is an argument that can be debunked.

Another questions… if this parking charge is for improving spaces and adding security, why are electric scooters and bikes allowed to park for free, some of them are larger and take up much more space than other petrol bikes, Westminster claiming to justify it as a green issue, but the charge is just plain money raising.

We have debunked all of Westminster’s arguments. If they did provide a service and did consult with the people it affects then we would look at it differently, but we can see through Westminster’s spin machine.

See you all on the 17th Feb 2009, 5:30pm Park Lane Car Park or 5:45pm onwards at Westminster City Hall. http://www.notobikeparkingfees.com/events/

My car ( a 2.2 TDi ) uses 50% less fuel than my bike, go figure;)

Good for you :slight_smile: I am pleased for you.

Everything is variable.

Nice editing:D

My point was that instead of protesting against the parking charges you should be protesting for more secure parking, I am completly for this and would support any protest for this, as I have said before, please explain why motorcycle’s should get free parking? we don’t take up space in traffic as we can filter through and for that reason we don’t pay congestion charge but when we have reached our destination in London we do take up space parking our bikes and Ā£1.50 for a whole 24 hours parking isn’t all that bad now is it compared to what people who drive cars have to pay?? Yes it probably will go up with inflation over the years but doesn’t everything.

What if you want to stop for 30 minutes? Should the cost still be Ā£1.50p? Which would make it more expensive than parking a car. And do you agree that a Westminster resident should pay Ā£150 to park their bike outside their own house which takes 1/6th of the space and Ā£105 to park there large car outside their house? Can you see this charge is not about paying for the space we use. The charge is a taxation in order to discourage motorcycling. We can campaign for more secure parking provisions and if you agree then only bays with security should be chargable, but you seem to want to pay for parking anywhere I just don’t get your reasoning,

Before campaigning for better motorcycle parking provisions we must first campaign against this parking charge which is imposed with nothing in return. Join the campaign support us because the campaign is going from strength to strength and at the end of it we will be in a better position because we have shown that we will be united not sit down and instead show Westminster and let other councils in London see that they can’t take us for a ride, they MUST provide adequate parking provisions for motorcycles without charging.

TFL Mayor of London and all London Councils have a mission to reduce congestion discouraging the use of 2 wheels by charging to park goes against this mission, also the Mayor of London has given millions of pounds to London Councils which is to be used for transport projects, Westminster do not need the money, and the result in the end is, rip off their own residents, rip-off people who choose not to have a mobile phone or credit card, rip-off commuters who add to the economy of Westminster.

There is not justification to charge for motorcycles or scooters to park, what about bicycles, should they pay for all the racks they are provided with? Remember we pay road tax, council tax (a supplement goes to GLA) that covers all councils in London and to even ride our bike we have to take a CBT (pay), the motorcycle training and test fee. What do bicycles have to do?

Bicycles and motorcycles are both solutions for Westminster and congestion and should be encouraged and incentivised. But motorcyclists in London are treated like **** and easy money by Westminster this is not right.

I totally agree with the post above. I can’t add any more, it’s all in there.

The point is Ā£1.50 for what service? There is no added service, the bays have not been altered in any way since their use became chargeable. They are just taxing us, that’s all it is, a pure tax.

And the cost per day will increase to the price of a cup of coffee before you even notice it. Look at the congestion charge which increased from £5 to £8 per day.

Don’t forget that someone who parks their bike for 10 minutes to go and buy something from the shop round the corner from the bay will pay Ā£1.50 as well as someone who parks their bike in the same bay for the whole day. How fair is that? Also, a car driver will pay a lot less than Ā£1.50 to park their car for 10 minutes although a car takes 7 times more space than a bike. Again, how fair is that?