Poor Baby "P"

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Ok i know we have all read and seen the pics, that they are allowing us to see, of this poor baby boy. I cant even begin to say how it makes me feel cos i know that there are still other children going through the same thing now…and in London, Essex, not just world wide?

The thing with this story is the whole thing just is a world away from anything i can imagine within my own family of EVER happening, because one of us would see it and make a comment etc etc, and then look into it further? If i ever thought that one of my neices or my own kids (should my sons ever start that is, too busy getting aquainted with all of London at the moment i think!) anyway, point is, if i ever thought something like this was going on, and to that extent? I wouldnt let that child go back i would take them !!

For so called a-hole useless social workers and co, who are supposedly trained to notice these things, letting this poor boy go back to the mother after even the real father expressed concern and being told to give him back, to keep their jobs is insane to say the least. There are families out there that love their children and having them snatched away cos someone has told the council that they are being abused etc, when they are NOT, and then they go and give back a child that quite blatently IS being abused to this extent a 5 yr old could work it out, is beyond logic !!!

Now this effing stupid, wants a smack in the gob and deserves it, i dont care, 15 yr old “girlfriend” (read paedo-toy), is saying she SAW certain incidents that even if you saw ONE of them would have had you running to the social services, i mean come on…some dick is pulling this babies fingernails out and cutting off his finger tips with a stanley knife in front of you, and you are just gonna stand there and say !“but im besotted with my boyfriend and couldnt say anything” !!! WTF!!! Shes saying (now), that the step “dad” trained his rottweiler to attack the boy, made him sit with his head down till he clicked his fingers, and what done it for me, she was present when he snapped the boys spine on his lap…she said the noise of the snap was SO loud she had to “run into the garden to cover her ears, with the babies crying”…WHAT THE EFF DID SHE THINK HE WAS GOING TO DO !!!

Someone please tell me, cos i must be as thick as crap here, WHERE DO THESE INBREEDS COME FROM? How can anyone and i mean, anyone, in their right minds NOT find all of them quilty of murder and her for aiding and abetting it ???

Also? this 15 yr old is saying, she knows of TWO mobiles that were buried in Epping Forest and IF found, could put them away for murder? …err…so WHY isnt anyone out combing the forest for them? They took her there but apparently she couldnt remember where it was !!! oh give me bluddy strength…

Bet if London Bikers and associates, contacted the police for the approx area, and also confirmation of what shes saying is true, organised a gang of us to look…we might find em for them !!! Boy wouldnt that be a good day eh?..find those mobiles and hand them in…good xmas present that would be…

I want, all of these people to have just one hour of treatment that they gave that baby…at the hands of the inmates waiting for them !!!

What do you guys think?

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I agree with you %150, people like this desrve to get 10 fold what they did. I just read that their details were leaked on the net and facebook so when they arrive in prison they might not get out alive. Of course it should be quite easy to find the phones in Epping, get a few people with metal detectors and sort it out. So if they are close to Eppic does that mean they are based around East/North-East London???

I think these people are just sick, it the same as hearing about childern buring alive a puppy just to see it run around in pain, or skinn a dog alive… children, elderly and animals cannot defend themselfs and only a coward would attack anyone that couldn’t defend themselfs. Obvisouly they had some kind of joy by doing that… makes you think about films like HOSTEL and such…

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I have to put my hand over my mouth every time I read something about babyp as I’m so upset by the whole thing, I have a 14 month old and the thought of what these people did to someone of that age is discusting.

believe me if I ever saw them I would happily snap their backs as well.

if you read the paper this morning the visiting social worker & police requested he be moved away from the family but the jobsworth behind the desk so no return him. if this is the case that damn right stupid fing idiot should also get charge with coporate manslaughter (or whatever is closest to this).

God Rest Your Sole Baby P you are in a better place now where the angels will look after you and nothing bad will happen again.

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Sorry Drei, you know me, and you are right…esp about trying to find the phones, given a sort of area to start looking mind, but i did have to smile when i read what u wrote (in bold)…but i know what u meant mate !! (smile)Sleeper? Just keep tight reins on that child of yours…its a real sick world. But im sure you know that…can imagine how you feel as well, looking at your baby sleeping, and thinking of what that boy went through…even if your own child bumps their head you worry…to have his finger nails torn out, be attacked by a DOG for nothing, beaten,starved,left in nappies etc,no drink,no love,just hitting and abuse every single day and night…if i so much as cut my finger on paper even, its sore !!! to have my fingertips cut off with a stanley knife??? OMG i wish i could be there to see these lot get licks…please god MAKE them suffer even more!

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what i don’t get is:
“social services in Haringey were split over whether the boy should have gone back to his mother after his injuries were discovered”

i mean who in their right mind would object to taking away a baby with cig burns and bruises?? its like a no brainer…no? what kinda people and on what grounds would they contest sending an abused child back?

are they complete idiots?? are they not trained to see abuse??

what upset me more was that apparently there is a child death every week cuz of abuse in the UK.

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There’s clearly a complete lack of perspective in these cases. There seems to me no justifiable reason why the baby wasn’t taken into care. He would have grown up in a caring environment and he was so young he wouldn’t even remember his ‘natural’ parents. This idea that keeping ‘at risk’ kids with their families seems to me to be completely misguided- if they are at risk of violence they should be removed from the situation immediately, full stop. Very sad.

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http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/london/7732193.stm

If only the Management had listened, the social worker and their team leader had done all right things, it was a higher manager that said “no”.

The problem is that not too long ago Social services were criticised for taking kids into care too soon and without adequate reason that there were changes made to make it so that the aim is to keep the child within the family as much as possible. I am astounded that they ignored the advise of the police in this, but if the mother had taken such steps to cover up “P’s” bruises, what more could the case worker had done above what they had done. The case worker had only 1 case less than that of the workload of the case worker with the Victoria Climbie case (11 i believe to the Climbie case worker’s 12 - which incidently was determined to be too many).

I hope the convicted get the “justice” they deserve… But in this day and age and in this country, they’d get better protection than most animals, whilst in prison. Heaven forbid if they got attacked, they would probably sue, and win!

All in my own humble opinion of course.

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Sorry, that dont go with me, whos kid has chocolate smeared all over their face, to the extent that its covered 90% of it, and anyway, you can still see darkened places where bruising and blood are surely? Its like annorexic kids, trying to hide food in their clothing to stop from eating it, the people who care for them are trained to look for these things, under beds, etc etc…so im not buying that…they earn the money that goes with being trained…there are plenty of others who will take their place, trained too, i dont know any but i would assume there must be at least ONE of them with the balls to say, “wash the kid i want to look” or go away and be back next day or even in their own time (esp if they KNOW this is common practice for so many young kids in families nowdays)…no, they failed in their jobs, therefore? no job to come back to !!! Get them out !! sack the lot…and dont get me started on that $h*t doctor !!! sod that if im having a heart attack…will prob tell me ive got wind !!

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I think a lot of people are afraid to lose their jobs. You can only say once if the manager says “no” what else can you do?? If you go agaist them you get fired… or framed for God knows what. As you said the doctors are complete clueless idiots… most of them tell you to take a pain killer:):slight_smile: When I had my accident they gave me pain killers… I didn’t take any, I said screw them, if something is wrong I wanna know and feel it.

I can’t really understand why they would go to such extend to protect these people… is not as if they had crap loads of money and paid off the social workers…

I kinda criticised religion, how some of the facts might have been enflowered and what not… but I seriously think some people are just that dumb… to the point that the only way to make them think or do the right thing is from fear… fear that you will be punished by God is a good way to keep the simple minded in line… capital punishement would probably help also:)

Hope that KARMA will take care of it… after all “let he who is without sin, cast the first stone” who am I to judge them… then again in my book being a whore and brutally torturing a child until death are completly on separate pages.

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by the way found that The Sun is asking people for a petition to sack all who were involved, so go here if you feel they should and sign it.

Also Jules, as my GF is doing social policy and right now she is looking up domestic violence so I also read a few things… you’d be amazed how many women suffer at the hands of men… bunch of heartless cowards the lot of them. I seriously think the world is going crazy or maybe it is just that now things become public…

That and I am not sure how many people care these days, everyone only worried about their skin… if you fall down in the street the chance is no one will lend you a helping hand… just like this post, seems more people are interested in which Bank to use:):slight_smile: or how to relieve Stress… only saying that because both other posts were made after Jules’s post yet they have over 12 replies and 100+ views each:)

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I guess people have read all there is to read, agree with what im saying and cant see the point of adding to it…dunno, and dont really care either…i just know how i feel about this shite…ive signed the petition, and did it not only for this poor kiddie, but for the others this is going to happen to and IS happening to …i pray that none of your children have to suffer anything like this sort of thing if by chance you split with your partners…

Ive had this happen in my “family”…sis married a guy who was married before? one of his sons had a baby with a girl, he was only 18 himself…they split, when the girl was still a baby…she meets another guy, brings him in the house…cut the story short? he raped and killed her…hes in prison now, mother got a short term and i believe shes out now (bitch!)…hate this with a vengence…and cant wait to hear when these a-holes get done in prison…just cant bluddy wait !

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just saw panorama… it was so depressing…
so the bf was mentally ill… but what was wrong with the mother?? what was the role of the lodger?

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Yeh i saw it too…mother is a slag…end of, would rather be on facebook trying to get laid then look out for her crying son…PLEASE LET ME ALONE WITH HER FOR 10 MINS…

What about the Father, the Grandmother? all this, i thought something was going on…nah, not good enough…look everyone is saying they werent listened to etc…but im sorry, this is such a load of crap its unreal…if we take our kids to hospital, 9 times out of 10 a good mother would have some inclination her childs not bullshitting when they are ill? This kiddie had the bruises, the broken bones,the lost finger tips and nails, what evidence did anyone need or want that he was being abused?..so the police were told by the social workers to send him back to his mother? you know what? if that was me, as the Father, i would have took him back, got hold of the slag and told her "if i so much as see one more bruise on his face or body or anywhere, or anything at anytime goes wrong and hes involved, i will come here with a dozen men to rape and abuse you all effing night long, take you to some forest, beat the crap out of you and make you get home on your own, and after that, i will be back every week to make sure you are doing what i said "!!!

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Papers might be banned but ive just been text the names of the a-hole scumbags who killed P

MOTHER TRACEY CONNOLLY BOYFRIEND STEVEN BARKER OF PENHURST ROAD TOTTENHAM. PAEDO IS JASON OWEN

R.I.P. LITTLE MAN, THEY CANT TOUCH YOU NOW AND I PRAY THEY WILL HAVE DONE TO THEM WHAT THEY DID OR ALLOWED TO HAVE, DONE TO YOU.

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Sadly there’s more to come… but it’s not being talked about due to pending court cases.

As for George Meehan’s statement of sorrow it quite frankly didn’t wash…

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  • Should read Penshurst road n17.
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Sorry, thanks for that. Did you read today where Owen told people he and his mate had tortured someone and it went too far !! And they said they didnt want to ask him what hed done ??? WTF !! Thats the first thing i would ask if one of you came and told me that ! Whats the point of you telling me if im not gonna ask what you’d done?

Have been thinking of taking something over to the cemetery, like others have. Might ask a few biking mates …think it wont go down if bikers turn up? Shouldnt think it would matter really though eh? Its respect for someone that counts isnt it?

Just feel so damn useless butof course, nothing we could have done. Hope other kiddies going through this will be helped now though…too many of them getting booted about in their own home by supposed parents, either that or sexually abused…what a world eh? …what a world…

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No need to appologise Blade. I got the same text with the same mistake(I’m a black cab controller). As for reading anything else on this, I can’t because it makes me feel physically sick the more I read about it.