Just woken up and been watching the news and I’ve seen that a 16 year old lad’s been stabbed and died outside a youth club in Everton in Liverpool. I’m from the area (i still technocally live there too) and am involved in the youth club and have been for some time. My girlfriends dad is the vicar that the youth club is attached too, she grew up going to the club and my family members in the past have also been, that and I live about 100 metres from the club. This has absolutley devastated me this morning.
Everton is one of the most deprived wards in britain, just last week someone was shot in the leg down the other end of the road and now this. I’ve been living in london since september and the number of murders of youths at the minute is just shocking.
What are we doing wrong as a socitey? What are the government and police forces doing wrong? How do we solve this issue?
This stabbing took place outside a youth club that is aimed at providing kids with a safe environment where they can get away from the difficulties of drugs and violence and it seems that this has now failed.
It all seems so f**ked up, people don’t understand or perhaps they do and choose not to care, that they are taking someones life. HOW CAN SOMEONE DO THIS? I’m a rational thinker but never have i been able to understand how someone can take another persons life.
Im with you on this mate, makes me worried each time my kids go out and I have no idea of the answer to the problem, cant get my head round why they all have to go round tooled up guess Im just an old goat from a different ere, back then differences settled with good old bundle and job done but lately its all you ever see on the news more kids getting stabbed/shot, is it due to a lack of discipline at home/school etc no respect for authority even parents ?
You are right mate, its just unbelieveable how many kids these days are tooled up when they are out and about. It certainly wasn’t like that when I was growing up and I’m only 27… its just so disappointing.
Personally I think its to do with emotional support and the fact that people are growing up without suitable role models. People are living in abusive homes with violence, drugs and alcohol abuse rife and seen as the norm… the result I think is that emotionally, there are kids today who don’t acutally have the ability to determine what is right and what is wrong… I do think we need to look at ourselves as a society to see how we can improve… I’ve always been a believer in equality and as we get more and more into situations like this, I think that we really do, as a society have the responsibility to ensure that we continue to bridge the gap between those who are priviledged and those who are not…
It’s not all about lack of discipline - a - lot of the kids go out tooled up because they are scared of being attacked. In a lot of places it is a catch 22 situation Take out a knife for protection - end up using it for protection. My own dont carry but i know a lot of kids that do mostly for this reason - and most of whom i would class as good kids.
There are a lot that carry just to mug etc - the reason being just because they can and they know that nothing will ever be done to them. We’ve had various incidents happen around here and when my son was shot about a centimeter from his eye - in a school lesson - with a BB gun we were actually told to feel sorry for the lad as he came from a broken home! Now had he been caught doing 33mph in a 30 limit on one of the many motorbikes he stole - i’m sure it would have been a different story. I blame a complete break down of authority in action plus the fact that while the kids are taught their rights in school - they are never really taught right from wrong.
It gets even f**ked up when you read the story of a 5 year old who thought he could solve his problems at school by knifing his teacher, where the hell are they getting these ideas from
This is very sad to read and an awful reflection on what removing the fit punishment for a crime does. Bring back the lash and the birch, allow coppers to clip kids around the ear for minor issues and so on. I am looking at moving from my area so that my children can grow up as children not thugs… Looking at some of the local kids I do fear for my kids.
i started a thread about this a little while ago, my area has sadly seen quite a few fatal knife incidents…
what are the police doing about it? i dunno? stop and search needs to come back i think., also as i have said before…alot of it is down to todays youth culture.
The problem stems from the fact there is a lack of discipline at home and in the Schools. Do-gooders have ruined the Country by making it to PC. Although you can ‘tap’ your child if they do wrong, you can’t smack them and leave a mark. People’s bodies are different, and what may seem a light smack on one person may be to hard to another. Also, an on lookers perception of a smack can be completely over the top. All these things together have caused a lot of parents to feel to frightened to discipline their kids properly and leave it to the Police to deal with.My m8 smacked her son (my godson) in a shop once and this woman came over and started pushing her and saying things like “How dare you batter that child how would you like it if I whacked you?”…my m8s answer was great…“First of all, I didn’t hurt him, it was a light smack to a padded (nappy) butt, it got the right reaction cos it shocked him…secondly, if you want to hit me then go ahead. By pushing me I deserve the right to push you back, but if you want to hit me then please DO make my day cos then I’m going to batter the f**k out of ya!..Anything else you’d like to add?”. The woman walked off. :DMy thoughts go out to the family and friends of the poor lad who lost his life. This is happening to much and its about time it was dealt with more harshly!
looks like they’ve picked up two people for this and are looking for more.
From my perspective, its all about hoping that the community have the courage to come forward and provide the police with the information that they require to ensure the culprits are prosecuted and that they are not branded “grasses” and ocestrascised by the community because of this thug/mob rule.
It is happening too much ratty and i remember your post about it. Two of my best mates were stabbed outside my old flat on old street in 2001, one stabbed 6 times and the other stabbed 4 times. The phone calls to their parents and girlfriends was the hardest thing ive ever had to do in my life and its something i’ll never forget… the only reason I wasn’t with them was because I’d been given a ticket to watch england play rugby earlier in the day and they were meeting me in town…
my girlfriend was telling me about some research that is being done at the minute on it - I’ll get the name of it and see if I find any info on it…
And here lies the problem, people asking what are the police doing about it, what are the goverment doing about it, etc etc etc. Instead of asking what can ‘I’ do about it.
Society as a whole should be doing something about it, parents are the number one start, school is next, other community members as well as the public, then the police can step in.
I can remember as a kid that if we got up to no good (now known as anti-social behaviour) then we would get a kick in the rear from any adult that passed us, our parents would be then also told and we’d get the same again at home.
This society is getting what it deserves in my opinion, too many people for too long have been wanting to blame others for their troubles and too many do gooders have been listening.
After all, I can remember getting told a number of years ago that there was about 300 different charites for convicted prisoners etc etc and at that time there was only one for victims of crime.
The blood on our streets is flowing and it is only going to get a lot worse before it gets better … I’ve seen too many people die horrific violent deaths to give a more reasoned response.
You hit the nail on the head there T, in this day and age because of do-gooders if you touch any type of toerag up too no good YOU will be the one in deep s**t and therein lies the problem, we cant touch them for fear of prosecution, police have to be carefull or be accused of victimisation etc its all bull****
