How do cylinders affect power output?

This is probably a really daft question, but I’m going to ask it anyway.

As far as I’m aware, single-cylinder and twin-cylinder bikes are known for their low-down torque; fours (since Euro emissions regulations became more stringent) have more of their power up-top. Triples are somewhere in the middle.

So, how would the following bikes feel to ride? And how would their power be spread out?

  • A 1,200cc single
  • A 400cc V-twin (I know there was an SV400, so mebbe someone’s here has actually ridden one!)

And, getting extreme:

  • A 600cc six
  • A 1,000cc eight
  • A 400cc ten

How does the cylinder count affect things? Obviously a 600cc six- or eight-cylinder engine would have smaller pistons. But would they be long and thin or short and fat? What difference would that make to the power?

Has anyone ever built a weird engine like this?

As you can probably gather, I’m on my tod at home and have waaaay too much time on my hands! :hehe:

I’ve never heard of a 1200cc single but I imagine it would shake itself and the rider to pieces in no time:D

The other shapes and sizes you mention are all a bit fantasy land but honda did make a 250cc six cylinder race bike in the 60’s called the RC166.

I saw it demo’d at Silverstone in the early 80’s and the sound sends a tingle down your spine:D

5 cylinders is probably the smoothest configuration, I’ve had a few 5 cyl cars and they are silky;)

Just remembered the Morbidelli V8

That was quite an extreme engine.

I think Laverda did a V6 at some point too

I doubt that there are any 1200 singles, beyond a certain size it would probably shake itself apart. Again with the other engines you propose, don’t think anyone has made one. You also don’t mention layout, but a in line six would be a sweet engine as it has both primary and secondry balance, and is one of the most perfect layouts. It would make a four seem rough (Honda or Kawasaki made a six but before my time).

Moto Guzzi made a V8 race engine but it was a 500cc not a thousand, and it wasn’t a great success because the engineering wasn’t really up to the task.

As for a 10 cylinder 400, that would be a work of art.

The problem for engine construction is the more cylinders the more complicated and the smaller the components for a give size of engine. A 600cc single is easier to design and build than, an 600cc twin, or a 600cc four. And when you change from inline or straight to V configuration is makes it harder still (you double the blocks, heads, camshafts, etc).

Having a longer stroke gives more torque, but will reduce power as the bore will be narrower resulting in smaller valves. A wider bore in comparison to the stroke will allow for higher revving engines and more power. It is part of the engine design philosophy, do you have a over or under square engine design?

That is part of the reason (more so than Euro emission regulations) that most 600 engines are high revving, it is simply to extract as much power as possible for the race bikes (CBR600RR, R6 etc). And another reason the Fazer has no mid range, it uses the same engine as the R6 that is then retuned for less power, but the engine design remains the same, and does the fundamental power delivery, i.e. you have to rev the ******** off it.

Wow - cheers, Chunky! I had a look on YouTube…

Here’s a replica Honda six… you’re right; that’s amazing! :smiley:

https://www.youtube.com/v/SoU9cw3pNEI&hl=en&fs=1

And a Guzzi V8

https://www.youtube.com/v/8TG7f2imRQo&hl=en&fs=1

A quick search of Wikipedia:

Honda CBX1000 inline six

Moto Guzzi V8 race engine:

I think that was a four cylinder, this is the six…

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5oOyesIhDT4&feature=related

If you want to take this to the extreme, how about a V48?:smiley:

I’ve seen this in the flesh, what a beast!!!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6ratfuML9QA

The NSU Konsul was a 2000cc single…:slight_smile:

Since when?

It was a 350cc…lol

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ChunkyMonkey (08/02/2009)

I think that was a four cylinder, this is the six…

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5oOyesIhDT4&feature=related[/quote]Wow! Chunky - thanks for that - that old Honda race bike sounded absolutely fantastic! Definitely sends a tingle down the spine. :slight_smile:

you want big? try this one

Since it was fitted by a 1200cc single by Franz Langer actually…:D:D Check it out;)

Oh you mean the NSU Bison?That don’t count as its a back shed special;):P:Dhttp://thekneeslider.com/archives/2008/06/16/nsu-2000cc-single-cylinder-motorcycle/The piston must be like a bucket…lol:D

Still a 2000cc bike …you could buy an 8000cc BH if you want big production bikes?

Not sure the size of those Radian Radial bikes, will have to have a google:D

Again:D

You have to admit it’s a bit obscure;) 2800cc:w00t:

1200 cc single? Probably exists as some crazy Nordic marine engine.

Worked on some stupid single cylinder diesel thing like that once stuck in a timber (remember that stuff?) Baltic trader back when you could still buy spares for a 40 year old engine. Probably a bit big for a bike. Had a whole small room to itself.

Small multi’s? Check out the world of model aircraft engines, see how small you can go.

Not a lot of power, particularly below (say) 10,000 rpm, but they only weigh ounces.

Don’t think there is any new format for the conventional petrol/oil burning engine.

Neck out time. The Wankel was the last great original engine design. 'Till the next one.