This morning filtering through traffic, both lanes chocca. Both lanes were sit in and over a yellow box. I filter through at maybe 15 mph or so.
On my right a road adjoins ours, but it has to give way to us of course. As Im filtering a cyclist comes makes her way out of the adjoining road and onto ours. No look left, which was unfortunate, as I was coming up pretty close to her at that point. Breaked hard, think I caught her tyre but she stayed on.
Now I say I had right of way. She says I shouldn’t have been in the yellow box. I said to her yes, but I was moving through the box. She f and blinded so I moved on just saying to her that yellow box or no yellow box, never mind rules of the road, I dont wanna kill anybody, so at least check left before you make your way out into stationary traffic…
What do you guys think? If I had have squashed her, would I have been at fault?
NO YOU WERENT WRONG! YOU WHERE MOVING THROUGH THE YELLOW BOX! DOES IT STAT IN THE HIGHWAY CODE THAT IF YOU CANT CLEAR THE BOX THEN DONT ENTER IT! BUT YOU COULD CLEAR IT!
THE PEOPLE AT FAULT ARE THE CARS/VANS STATIONERY IN THE BOX AND THE CYCLIST FOR NOT LOOKING AND CHECKING FOR ONCOMING TRAFFIC!
Ditto. Yellow box doesn’t alter the priority of the Give Way she came out of. Even if traffic is static - there might have been another peddler coming.
cyclists are a pain in the butt, they don’t look, they don’t stop at traffic lights, they always peddle in to the middle of the road regardless for their own saftey. One place i try to avoid is the Blackfriars Bridge with the mix of buses, general traffic, cabs, cyclists and bikers - i can’t stand it.
I think you should have given the lady a few choice words of your own and put her in her place. no need to squash her tho
Heyyy you sound more and more like a car or white van driver when they talk about us, they can be a pain but so can we so maybe its just one of those things
Yep your in the right, you can enter and stay in the yellow box as long as the only thing stopping you from moving is oncoming traffic (and you were moving)!! But I wouldn’t of liked to clean your bike if you squashed her!
I try and reason when this happens. I ask them regardless of who is right and wrong how they would feel with nearly 100kg of fat bloke combined with 135kg of bike hits them. A quarter of a ton doing 15 mph is going to hurt. They usually get the point. Always talk to them in quite a low polite tone so they have to listen hard to hear you, it means it actually gets in. Sincere, on Blackfriars I tend to stick to the left hand lane and then indicate right as I approach the north side of the bridge, tends to avoid most of the agro.
150: Box junctions. These have criss-cross yellow lines painted on the road (see Other road markings section). You MUST NOT enter the box until your exit road or lane is clear. However, you may enter the box and wait when you want to turn right, and are only stopped from doing so by oncoming traffic, or by other vehicles waiting to turn right. At signalled roundabouts you MUST NOT enter the box unless you can cross over it completely without stopping.
Law TSRGD regs 10(1) & 29(2)
Print out and hand out to errant cyclists, trucks, busses, taxis, cars etc, etc who forget what a box junction is!!
If you had hit her and damaged your bike or yourslef you would havd had shed loads of greif pursuing a claim. I know where of I speak pedestrians and cyclists don’t often have any form of TP liability cover. Its as good a reason as any to not get involved even when you have done nothing wrong.
Cyclist who road across the road in front of me that I hit had my insurance company take money off his home insurance policy. Teach the myopic git to look the next time. Mind you, my insurance co wanted to do do a 50/50 but told them no way.
Rules of the road be damned, you use your common sense, LOOK before pulling out! Silly girl. And yeah, why was the box jammed up? Were they all turning right or something? I hate that, stupid car drivers thinking getting another ten foot ahead through a junction will get them to their destination any quicker, when they’re only going to be sitting in traffic anyhow.
On the other hand you “should not” overtake on a junction and your “accident” would have been directly relevent to Powell vs Moody, you would.
If you had injured her you would liely have found yourself facing a careless driving charge and you would almost certainly have been found liable in a civil action based on case law.
cyclist i was going down the a13 in rush hour the othr day and this cyclist was filtering but he went over a flyover and was in the outside lane WHAT A C**K
Ouch. I would say you had, marginally, more right-of-way than she did, but as pointed out below, there are rarely cases when you are truly in the clear, and likely can be found at least partially liable for any collision. Also, there were multiple wrongs here…cagers should not have been blocking the box, aparrently you should not have been overtaking in a junction, and cyclist should have yielded on entering from the secondary road.
Do you really want the expense and hassle of arguing all of that? Good on you for getting stopped in time, and for travelling at a reasonable pace in the first place. Be careful out there.
