:P:D - nice to see other people aren’t fooled by Tarantino either Toby - he’s just a second rate charlatan who nicks other peoples ideas and puts them in a blender!
Its not “re-mixing”, its his style of directing. Thats what he likes. Personally, i love it when film makers give a nod to the classics of the past - its not cheating.
Yeah, Pulp Fiction, Death Proof, Kill Bill, Dusk till Dawn, Reservoir Dogs… all rubbish… :w00t:
But i’d bet if he stuck a camera on a Ninja, drove round Milton Keynes and stuck it on youtube - you’d love it!
EDIT: Also, just FYI - the best ideas come from sticking it all in a blender!
Not just the ideas- he literally plunders the best scenes from cult films and puts them straight into his- but does it in a washed out watered down way…like that buried alive scene (can’t remember the film). Like the way people think he’s all edgy. Some of the films he copies are absolute classics though- he ought to include subtitle credits in each scene.
To his credit Tarantino is totally forth coming regarding the way he draws so heavily on what’s gone before in terms of film making.
What annoys me is when people who aren’t aware of the films that Tarantino rips his genres and techniques from - like 60’s French new wave as well as more obvious sources like gangster and blaxploitation - call him a genius - they think he came up with the techniques and styles himself!
With respect - the above is an informed opinion and not the opinion of an ignorant ‘bozo’! :D;)
And so what if I also like watching footage shot from behind the screen of a ninja on the Milton Keynes bypass?
lol - someone at work said “bozo” today and i haven’t heard it for years - hence i had to get it out! No offense
Im not saying you are ignorant, Im just saying that there are other opinions out there, which i dare say may be a little more qualified to sway my judgement (Academy Awards, Baftas, Golden Globes, Cannes, Blue Ribbon awards etc. etc. etc…).
It is so incredibly hard to break through and even make one rubbish film - let alone a raft of huge successes, I think you have to give the guy credit for that.
Its very easy for us “consumers” to sit back and critique peoples work and slag it off when in-fact it has been recognized the world over, inspired thousands of people to take up film-making and I would class him in the super-league of directors/writers/producers (ok ok, maybe not acting!).
We are so quick to judge in this society, i think we have become bloated, victims of a mentality which seems to suggest we “deserve” better - we dont deserve anything unless we get off our arses and give it a try.
Everything in life is recycled - design, fashion, music, architecture - its all cyclical. What he does is draw inspiration from the best he as seen and attempt to make it better. Arguably, he has achieved that - please bear in mind the life and society we live in when pondering that last comment.
So, regarding the video at the top of the page - i challenge you to find another successful film maker who has not in any of their films:
a) Made a scene which looks like any other film.
b) Used characters which look like any other characters from any other film.
c) Written a story which can be compared to any other film.
Its a pretty hard thing to do right? Hence why I had to say something after watching the vid. I think its a very cheap shot.
Very well argued and thought out - so as a man of honour I accept and take your points!
You threw down this glove of challenge :
So, regarding the video at the top of the page - I challenge you to find another successful film maker who has not in any of their films:
a) Made a scene which looks like any other film.
b) Used characters which look like any other characters from any other film.
c) Written a story which can be compared to any other film.
I take up the glove of challenge with the following reply:
David Lynche’s 1977 ‘Eraserhead’ arguably one of the most original movies ever.
Yeah, if you haven’t seen Eraserhead then check it out - I saw it when i was 14 and it blew my mind - never seen anything like it since - skip the popcorn though - it’s very dark and disturbing!
My good Sir, this is indeed a commendable retort. I shall endeavor to validate the claims once my back cataloge of all films before 1977 arrives in the post…
The above is an example of what i was trying to say earlier - it is very rare to have “original” ideas, hence why trends are cyclical. Especially if these ideas are of mainstream interest which Tarantino is, and perhaps Lynche leans to more of an artistic, cultural following…? Let us remind ourselves of the most sucessfull films of 1977:
Star Wars!
Saturday Night Fever
The Spy Who Loved Me
Smokey and the Bandit (loved this!!)
Also, i might just add that as time marches forward, this ‘originality’ is even harder to achieve so in some respects, the likes of Hitchcock, Lynche etc. had a somewhat easier job. As a creative myself, this is somewhat of a depressing thought :ermm:
Yes it is. Definitely references Nosferatu though and nothing wrong with that. Slavish regurgitation of someone elses work i.e. plagiarism is something else. Zeepony puts up a good defence of Tarantino but really IMO he is a bit like the exam cheat…copying over his neighbours shoulder then bragging about it afterwards.
At least you’re not an inventor - they definitely had an easier time in the past! Imagine how unimpressed your boss would be these days by ‘the wheel’!
Yeah I respect Zeepony’s defence - and anyone who manages to make at least one successful film has obviously got something going for them as getting a movie off the ground is incredibly hard - but I think Tarantino exploits the fact that most of his audience have never seen the films he is referencing and think his films are fresh and original - when in fact they are just warmed up rehashes. :DFunnily enough I’m not that keen on Lynch’es films - apart from two standouts - Eraserhead and The Elephant man which i think are both master pieces.