Even in the British Army

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Respect and discipline used to be what the British Armed Forces where renowned for and other countries have always tryed to use us as a role model.

Today however it is a different story, the old Regimental Sergent Major is getting old and the discipline has slackened because there is no respect anymore for the chain of command. Those of you that serve or have served will understand what i am chomping about.

However whilst on barrack guard Sunday evening at my place of work in Hyde Park Barracks i had been to open our main gate when an object was hurled from the accomodation on the 6/7th floor. I picked the carrier sized bag up and proceeded to return it with words of wisdom and without getting the individual responsible into trouble. merely just to say dont be a dick head.

One room i entered i was met with an aggressive character who desided he would plant his left fist into my right eye socket.

“Hello this is me, the nose was already twisted”

The result was me suffering with a busted eye socket, and needing a plastic surgeon to stitch my eye lid back together and save my eye sight.

All because the individual unknown to me (aged 19/20) did not like me entering his room.

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When you get better I think he needs to be taught a lesson.

An eye for an eye perhaps?

Count me in!

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Ouch ! probably interrupted him on the vinegar stroke ! :smiley:

I used to work with a guy that had spent sometime during his service in the 50s working in the military prison at Catterick barracks, apparently they had a very low re-offending rate & after hearing some of his tales of what went on in there back then I’m not surprised !

GWS & remember, chicks dig scars ! :wink:

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I take it the RMP/Regimental Police aren’t allowed to dish out summary justice anymore?

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Its all slippers and no shouting anymore, when I was in back in 70s n 80s the offender of that would have recieved similar punishment BEFORE the MP/RMPs got hold of the toerag. I hope your gonna press charges against the little sh1t

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That looks bad! If the scrote is going to receive a hiding, don’t get caught :wink:
Looks painful too :blink:

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Yes he has been arrested and charges for GBH are in tow.

I remember wheni first joined early and the turn of the millenium and Guards Company was what it was, drill twice a day, the only staff that trained you were of the Brigade and everything to do with tradtion, old customs, history and discapline was installed into you as a human being so as when you was on parade you was as stiff as a broom handle and did not move a muscle.

For those that have served and longer than i you will remember being beasted to with in an inch of your life at some stage during the green belt days?

Well that cant happen anymore because the kids are too weak and discipline has’nt been installed at home, the father figure is no more seen as a fret because ‘spanking’ was classed as ‘crossing the line’ in 1997 by social services and NSPCC.

As for schools, well since they stopped corporal punishment in 1988, teachers and the system have become weak as is so widely seen on various news channels.

I used to fear my father (he did not beat me though), so i did not speak to anybody in a derogatory manner let alone my mother. I most certainly feared my head of year until i left school in 1993, he would still cuff your ear, and dis-respect for him or his staff would have been relayed back to my father.

Today soldiers still go to MCTC or the GlassHouse in Colchester and come out knowing all about their rights, what you can say to them and what can not be done to them. When you’d think that for 28 days they would be thrashed around a gym, peel potatoes for the thousands and take up drill for hours at a time throughout the day.

It dont happen anymore, however i am fine, retribution is always in my mind but i will take advantage of this occassion and let the RMP’s deal with it.

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This is a disgrace, and a sure sign that the discipline usually instilled during the basic training process is being destroyed by the political correctness mob. I left the Army three years ago, with an exemplary record (I was no angel, I just didn’t get caught!;)), and one of the major factors in me leaving was the way the Armed Forces was becoming. I joined in Jan 1997, and was trained hard but fair. There was no such thing as answering back at an instructor, or the instructor would let you know how displeased he was, usually in the shape of a swift clump around the ear and a lot of shouting. It put the fear of god into most recruits when they saw an instructor lift a guy off his feet and scream at him til he was blue in the face. And that might have only been for something relatively minor, like talking on parade etc…

Prior to me leaving, we had a couple of new guys posted into my troop in N. Ireland. They were good lads, but I noticed they didn’t go through the same process that I had to when I was sent to my first regiment. I wasn’t spoken to, except to be given instructions/ orders, for the first month or two. It wasn’t a form of bullying, it was a way of saying “You’re the newbie, and we’ll only talk to you when we feel you’ve earned our respect!”… The young guys we were getting through in my last couple of years would swagger around camp from day one, thinking they were instantly best mates with anyone who looked in their direction, and able to gob off to anyone they wanted! I must say, there were a fair few clumps handed out in the bar to cocky young kids who thought they could mess with the grown ups. It usually worked, and eventually the clumped would earn the respect of the lads, and he would grow up a bit himself. For some reason, the people coming through training nowadays are not getting the discipline drilled into them, even though there is a distinct lack of respect and discipline in the youth of today. I would say blame the parent etc… But at the end of the day, it’s also down to the schools having a lot of their powers taken away from them. The teachers should be able to deal out punishment, just like the old days. Maybe then we wouldn’t have kids running around the streets causing bedlam etc… Don’t give them ASBO’s, send the little swines to a borstal! Or, bring back National Service, along with some old school instructors! It’s not just the way things are now, what do you think it’s going to be like in the next 25 years? These little scrotes are going to be the grown ups! What do you think their lessons to their kids will be?

Anyway, rant over but it just gets my blood boiling with all this political correctness ruining training methods and the results thereof…

Hope the eye recovers well, I’ve had a similar injury myself so I can sympathise with you mate. Also, maybe the guy that did it will get his come-uppence very soon, in a very dark alley!:wink: Or you could just wait for your next tour in the sandy place! Nasty accidents happen all the time on tour! lol:w00t::D:P

GWS fella,

RR

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Thanks Nathan

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I realize now it is naive but i just assumed discipline in the army was the same now as when i left in 1981 [ doesn’t seem that long ago!]
Being turfed out of bed in the early hours [2-3am] to be screamed at while you are doubling up and down the camp perimeter in boxer shorts and a respirator is not my idea of fun but you do not question someone who has the power to do that to you,however hard you may think you are.

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Oh happy days galloping around at stupid o’clock in the mornings with gaspirator on, getting beasted for no good reason :smiley:

and the usual ones if it moves salute it, if it dont then paint it :slight_smile:

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It does bring back memories…:rolleyes:

I still use the old classics… “It pays to be a winner!” “You still 'ere?” “You gotta be in it to win it!” etc…

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blimey RR ya making me feel old, you joined 97 joined in 75 myself :w00t:

another one was, see that hill…off ya go

or thats section 69 army act £50 fine march away :smiley:

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bluddy hell…i left the army in 97…lol

well mate…i honestley cant beleive what im hearing about the army today…really cant…

it (like RR)makes my blood boil at how things are going today…and you say sprogs dont get beasted anymore?:w00t:…foook me…i remember a bloke who got annihilated one afternoon becouse a full screw found a pube in his soap dish!!!

and you say the glasshouse is tame now?..OMG…:blink:

i spent two weeks in coulchester for ‘‘attempted awol’’…(actully…we had a dry camp for a fortnight becouse we just come back off a tour of ireland…me and a couple of mates hopped the fence…got pi)ssed at a pub…only i got caught ontop of the fence.trying to get back in…hehe)…

but when i got busted…i was getting beats every hour from the monkeys…ide be laying there and next thing the door would swing open and ide get dead legs and fists in my guts…not a happy time…but i knew ide done the crime so had to pay my dooes…thats what it was like…i didnt fight back becouse i had respect for the redcaps…simple as…

anyway…enough of my waffle…hope they eyeball gets better and pin that twat for everything…get ur lads togeather and give him a regimental bath…:smiley:

smiled:D.

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well i was in the army in 2000-2001 and i got thrashed left right n centre, and there was a few “lessons” handed out if you really got out of hand, behind closed doors!! cant see how its changed so quickly!!

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They should get the Scottish fella from Bad Lads Army to have a word !

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Kind of, The lad in question got a rather large Grenadier Guard in his face instead.

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I take it the “large Grenadier Guard” gave him a bloody good spit wash!:P:DHope the fecker got a good sound thrashing, prior to awaiting his charges;)

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Was in the navy, 74-76, and we would occasionally have an event called a Blanket Party. The guest of honer was wrapped up with a blanket over his head and a belt would be fastened about his waist. Thus trussed up, his friends, acquaintances, and other well-wishers would celebrate the event with a bar of soap stuffed in the end of a sock, to be applied liberally, about the head and shoulders. The usual statement given at quarters the next morning was, “I fell up a ladder”. This excited no comments at all. He was generally understood to have violated the rules, of perhaps, personal cleanliness(suggestion, bath early and often), and/or decorum (he got up in someone’s face, or picked on somone that he should not have). He would be sent to sick bay, and his wounds would be tended to. And of course it was generally accepted that all involved kept their mouth shut.

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I agree with all that is and has been said, During phase 1 I remember getting a Pace Stick across my knuckles most days for some 8 weeks for holding my weapon incorrectly, endless push ups because i was English and my section sergeant was Irish, My Platoon sergeant was Scottish and the Commander was a snob. Found it funny after a while.

At Army Training Regiments the recruits are to be in bed and lights out by midnight, again they must have sleep so they are not to be out of their pits until 07:00. If you shout at a recruit five(5) pieces of paper are to be filled and filed as to:

  1. Why you shouted at them, 2. The reason or purpose of the outburst, 3. The outcome of the incident, 4. What was achieved by the telling off, and 5. What action was taken at the close.

Today in the parent regiments, ‘Charging’ as you and i know has changed to a system called AGAI 67, and basically a soldier gets one of these AGAI 67’s for being in bad order, absent from place of duty(late), insubordination or anything else that the ‘Rights of a Soldier, Sailor or Airman’ says.

If they or you get three of these, you are then given a verbal warning order and a three month bender to keep the peace. Three more later a written warning order and Restriction of privileges(4 hours extra work commencing after 18:00hrs) and then on gaining three more AGAI 67’s from the last you are supposed to be discharged from service, ha, monkey nuts, i know lads that have A4 folders full of the creatures.

Since the Deepcut atrocities, which all respect to their families, the British Armed Forces had to change their methods including discipline, And painting lumps of black coal white for the provost marshall dont happen anymore.

The amount of chavs in the armed forces today that do not know the difference between their regiments colors or standards to that of a paintball flag really doesn’t bear thinking about, you old spots that have now left would have a fit.

The days of the only jewelery worn was that of a wedding band are long gone, i see lads walking around looking like something off of a chuff daddy video.