I saw this programme and it really moved me. I’ve been involved in and also seen some difficult situations, both up north and down in London and I also know some close people to me who have intervened in these sorts of situations and not come out of it very well!
Did anyone else get moved by this programme, either in a good way or a bad way? I personally thought it was a really good programme, although I think some parts of it could have been followed up better.
missed it…poo!!..altho i doo like thease type of programmes…
gutted
smiled:).
The mrs and i watched it, i was supriced how many people just didn`t do a thing about what was happening right in front of them, especially the bit of the young girl getting kicked on the bus by other girls.
Didn’t see it, but google gives this:http://www.channel4.com/programmes/would-you-save-a-stranger/catch-up
Will have a butchers later as i’m at work.
It’s probably ok to intervene if you think you have a good chance of prevailing physically if push comes to shove - otherwise call the police.
Completely agree with that, as I know cases where people have tried to help and it really hasn’t worked out for them.
But what gets me, is the fact that most people just ignored the situation completely, no one bothered phoning the police in some of the situations and the bus driver just carried on driving and in one case the bus driver stopped and told all the kids to get off and that story wasn’t followed up, so who knows what happened to the poor kid!
Physically I wouldn’t be much of a help, but I know I’d try any other method I could think off.
The programme is on 4od at the moment, definitely worth watching.
A few years ago i was on the underground in a fairly full carriage when a group of teenagers boarded the train and started attacking another teen,nobody did or said anything (just like in the documentry) so eventually i shouted for them to stop it had an immediate effect they stopped and staired at me,fortunatly we arrived at a station and the lad ,that was being attacked ,saw his opportunity to escape with the other lads in persuit.
Some shocking scenario’s on the documentary. It’s a sad state of affairs that the people dealing out the violence actually have the front to do these things in front of other people, but that seems to be the norm now. The majority of the problems are gang related, whether it’s gangs of teenage lads, girls or adults. I’ve been in situations before where the odds are stacked vastly against me and the people working alongside me. It used to happen every weekend on the doors over in East London. There were only ever five guys on the door, in a club that could hold up to four hundred. Not that we ever had to fight the entire club, but I’ve had time times where the five of us would go up against up to 40-50 guys. The advantage we had was the fact that we were sober and excellent at looking after ourselves. We also had very good tactics when dealing with trouble in the clubs that we worked. Mostly the trouble was resolved without the need to lay hands on people, but occasionally it would turn into a wild west brawl.
That’s where the “Fight or Flight” feeling would come. I’ve witnessed the reactions of many individuals when they have been at that crossroads, both in the military and as a civilian, and the range of reactions is huge!
I’ve seen guys and girls half my size suddenly become Rambo and fight like lions to help/protect others and themselves. Conversely, I’ve also seen so called “Hard Nuts” freeze/back down/run away from confrontations.
The first time I ever got shot at, myself and the three blokes on patrol with me dropped into cover in a busy street. One guy started laughing at the absurdity of it all and that set the rest of us off! We laughed so much that we didn’t even see where the shooter went! :w00t:
I’ve also seen a highly trained soldier stand there and p**s himself in fear when confronted with a bad situation.
What I’m trying to say is that no matter what your training/background, you don’t know how you would react in these situations until you have been in them yourself. I count myself as lucky, as my reaction to these sort of situations is almost clinical. I use the adrenaline/fear to focus on the task at hand, and almost always come out of the other end unscathed.
Excellent documentary though, it definitely highlights the problems that society faces if we don’t take back control of our streets from violent thugs! 
I recorded this so am looking forward to watching it later tonight.
I believe though that the main reason many people do not want to get involved is because they know full well that in this f*cked up world the law is usually on the side of the perpetrator.
As soon as you touched an assailant, if it came to it, they would have you for assault and it’s highly likely that you’d come off worse than they would have done.
Not to mention the sheer inconvenience and expense of any court appearances, statements, possibly threats from the criminal and their associates.
You’d have to ask yourself if you were prepared for all that hassle unless it really was a matter of life or death.
In the few occasions in the past where I have assisted in RTAs involving bikers, it has caused a fair bit of hassle for me personally, I never got to find out the outcome and for that matter a single word of thanks or communication from any of them.
Would I do it again? **** yes, of course - and I like to think they would for me too!
Few years back saw a gang of girl yoofs attacking a young lad in Shepherds Bush (kicking him in the head) and along with a stopped motorist, I jumped in to drag him away - then sort of got inbetween them to protect him.
Made no attempt to apprehend anyone - still remember the main attacker - her eyes were wired big time (drugs? adrenelin?) - horrible stuff and scary. Way too common.
Talking to him afterwards - it had been over a “you staring at me” discussion on the tube 5 mins earlier. Scary stuff as these girls were really going for it.
wow…a moving and very powerfull doc…
i personally dont like bully’s…and i think i am the person i am today because of the fact that i detest em…either at work or anywere around me…dont get me wrong…if its 10-1 then i aint gonna try and be brave,but i will try and do the right thing tho…
well done for the couple and the lads who got stabbed…they were brave…so brave and will get my respect;).
smiled:).
Just watched this wow amazing really…
don’t know what to say, I feel the ones on the buses were a little harsh someone should have done something even saying stop would usually have some if not a lot of effect…
the problem with a lot of bus drivers is they do not want the hassle a good friend of mine about 10-12 years ago when we were still teens was set upon on a bus and believe me they gave my mate a kicking, stubbed cigarettes out in his eye etc etc… the bus driver stopped the bus and booted all of them off including my mate!!! where is the sense in that he needs the help and he got booted off just because he did not want any hassle!!!
I was totally shocked at the cowardness of the people on the bus! They never followed the story up of the young lad that was attacked but I’m pretty sure he was murdered! If we stand united then generally they will get scared & **** off! Like that woman was sat with around 5 blokes & the rest of the bus was packed, if one of them had got up & shouted at the kids to leave off then I can almost guarantee others would have stood united too!!! That lad, as did the young girl, must have been thinking/wishing that someone would help them eventually & no one ever did…how sad 
Its not in my blood to simply turn my head & pretend I dont see whats happening right infront of my eyes…prob because of how I was brought up & my own personal experiences, I just couldnt do it! Yes its potentially very dangerous to get involved but I’m not sure I could live with the guilt if I did turn a blind eye…
Its a testament to how self absorbed the world now is that you are told if you are getting raped to scream “FIRE” as someone is more likely to help you :unsure: Sad very sad
I was talking to a mate about how people react in situations like that, he said something that made some sort of sense. Not sure if there’s anything to back it up, but it kinda makes sense in a bizarre way… He said most people that ignore a situation, such as whats been said above are likely to be an only child. As he said people with borthers and sisters develop a sense of defence towards there siblings which comes into play when they see somone that’s being bullied, etc, etc later in life.
