Can Brits ride motorbikes?

I’m Italian and I’m living in UK since November 2007, I’m riding motorbikes since I was 6, I have raced in two Italian Championships and I had lots of bikes.

I have brought here in London my scooter and my bike, but in the past year I’ve used them just few times. In the past year I’ve done less than 500mi with them, it is the lowest mileage per year since I was ten. However I have done thousands of mi driving cars up and down UK.

Then I’ve started questioning why now I’m not riding anymore, whereas in Italy I was using two wheels vehicles 365days per year.

The first obvious reason I’ve found is the weather.

This kind of weather it is not just sad, this weather is simply the denial of motorbikes riding itself!

Obviously when it’s raining the grip is lower than when it’s dry. But then here there is also often ice on the ground that makes impossible to ride. Then again the salt is used to melt the ice and the result is still something that is not the best to ride on. Also the salt generally corrodes all the metal parts, still not good for bikes.

On top of that we have to admit that the road maintenance is not absolutely the best we’ve ever seen. Also to make an asphalt hard enough to resist to rain and different temperatures, the tarmac mixture is quite “strong” and doesn’t give a great grip.

Another thing makes me think that up here there is not a great consideration for motorbikes and bikers, is that on the roads there are often longitudinal metal junctions and metal reflectors between the lanes. One of these things, in combination with a wet surface, is enough to let you crash if you are riding a two wheels vehicle.

Everybody is speaking about “health and safety” and all these things are actually not the safest you can find on a road.

Then apparently it is allowed to drive a car or a van with the tow hook installed even when there is nothing attached to the hook, and you can imagine the consequences for the legs of the biker if a motorbike is crashing against one of those vehicle.

On top of all there are the roads themselves: at least down here in England corners and curvy roads don’t exist at all!

Even the countryside roads are all straight or not really curvy.

Maybe up in Scotland the situation is better (but I bet that the weather is not!).

Then the road circulation.

In the queue nobody is going across the traffic and passing among the cars to skip the queue.

Then let me get this straight, “I’m using a two wheel vehicle, I’m taking the risk because it’s more dangerous than a car, I’m taking the rain because there isn’t a roof and after all that I still have to queue behind the cars?”. Are you making a fool of me?

Everybody seems to be scared to ride. Most of the bikers are using a full leather suit (the coolest one I’ve seen is dated 1995…) even to go to the office in the morning. Then if you are looking at the sliders and the edges of the tyres they are brand-new and untouched!

The best tyre I’ve seen on a sport bike is a model that in Italy we consider as a “grandpa tyre”, just for tourism. The real sport tires are not used at all and if you want to buy one of those it is difficult to find them and the price would be just crazy.

No one to blame for that, it is just because with this weather you cannot use a sport tyre.

Then I was also thinking at the motorbikes races and championships and as far I can see on the motoGP history the last Brit that has won a world Championship is Barry Sheene in 1977 more than thirty years ago! After 1977 no great Brits in MotoGP.

In the World SBK the situation is slightly better with the recent Carl Fogarty, Neil Hodgson and James Toseland.

So I was trying to find out the reasons for that and looking at the MotoGP and WSBK history it is clear that the most prolific Countries for great bikers are Italy, Spain, Australia and USA.

That the reason for that it’s again probably to be found in the typical weather conditions of those countries that together with great and famous curvy roads help to create a real motorbike sport culture.

Then, considering that nowadays a National Championship could easy cost round 70.000 Euros to be competitive, I was wondering how does a Club Racing Series work up by the financial point of view. And I’ve found out that it is just about people or companies giving money or technical support for free. And that’s it!

I don’t know how many generous people live in UK, but £60.000 per season for free it’s a lot of money!

In other Counties generally there are financial possibilities related to the taxes, that make a sponsorship contract something interesting to invest the money of a Company in.

If up here there are not these possibilities, then obviously there is much less money for all the people that want to race with a bike and so a Championship could not be so competitive as in other Countries. So less money, less riders and less competitive Championships.

At the end of the day all these considerations let me think that up here there always be people riding every day and people trying to race, but there will never be the same Sport Motorbikes Culture that you can find in other Countries.

Do not get me wrong, I do not want to upset anyone or say that some Countries are better than others, I am just trying to compare different cultures of different Countries about the same passion.

Thank-you for submitting a good post. It’s well thought out, and the English is perfect, you make me feel ashamed - my Italian sucks.

15 years ago, the UK was a far better place to ride bikes, for many reasons.

You are correct, in the premier class the brits have been sadly lacking in recent years. Bradley Smith is our best hope of a champion IMO. He will win a GP this year. Bradley is a product of the Spanish system.

On the plus side, Brits have won LOTS of WSB championships.

Spanish and Italian riders are much more likely to bring sponsors to a GP team than a brit - money talks.

Sorry I can’t post more, I getting ready to go the **** hole called Heathrow.

I know quite a few :wink: Whilst I agree with some of your comments, the above is particularly untrue. Plus, I’m not sure that it substantiates your thread title…but then as Pete says, my Italian sucks, too… :slight_smile:

My favourite roads are the Spanish Pyrenees.

My favourite curves belong to my Gurl Ms Fernandez

I can see a theme here…

One thing that you may have overlooked, is geographical size. The UK is (I’m lead to believe) larger than Italy (please correct me if I’m mistaken) yet we do have a hell of a lot more people living here. It would be great if the British masses used some form of two wheels, be that a motorbike or a scooter, but as you say it’s a difference in culture.However, I have to agree with powerpuffgirl we do have some very curvy roads in England.

+1 to that

I cannot ride my bike and thinking about everything around me, I would have no concentration left or become very paranoid.

When I first passed my bike test in 2006 until end of 2007 the weather was quite good… for the past year the weather has turned around.

Also I just found out why the roads are better in France… was wondering why the rain was absorbed in the road… or not sticking to it like here, also why the road surface cause my car to go in ultra quiet mode compared to UK roads where my missus couldn’t talk on the phone due the noise the road was making. So softer tarmac…

From September 2006 until September 2007 I put about 7000 miles on my bike, and that was with about 4 months of no riding due to winter and what not… since 2007 I think I done about… 500 miles. My first bike which was purchased from April and until September 2006 clocked 4000 miles… so approx 10000 miles a year. if you took my riding style at start… for past 2 yeas… much much lower.

I have been thinking to move countries also… but where to go?? I have friends and family in America but I can’t do ****… I won’t be able to settle down there unless I apply for the American Lottery or Marry a US woman and live with her for 10 years.

Maybe Dubai??? No idea how the job market is over there… I do know they need teachers…

British nationals do not qualify

I’m freelance - so I’m gonna see if I can move my family of motorbikes and me to live in Italy/France when I’m not working - and stay in a B and B in London when I’ve got work on.

Afraid to say the south east sucks - too many people/cages/cameras.

I’ve just turned down a well paid job in Dubai. I like being outside, and for 4 months of the year, it’s too hot.

Interesting post and well put. At the risk of comparing motorbikes to my other sport, mountain biking, yet again on this forum, there is an interesting flip side based on similar arguments.

The UK do very well a downhill mountain bike racing and have for many years been the top nation in this field, there is one family of two bothers and a sister all of whom get top 5 results on a world level at most races. In this sport the UK doesn’t seem the best location to find good riders. We don’t have the terrain, big mountains or ski lifts to facilitate lots of practise for the top riders or encourage more to try the sport. However the poor weather in this country allows the top athletes to master their bike control skills in poor conditions in the off-season while not racing. This gives them an advantage when it comes to racing.

This factor doesn’t relate to motorbike racing, unless they started to cover the tracks in grit and raced in the winter :smiley:

I’m guessing you haven’t been to Wales or Scotland???

Aye but can apply with my other nationality:):):slight_smile: £50 and I must qualify a certain criteria… most Eastern Europeans can apply for it:):slight_smile: so I get thsi single perk lol.

Yes, I ride and race all over the UK and Europe. We don’t have ‘proper’ sized mountains in UK, certainly not compared to Europe. See my gallery below :wink:

In response to the 1st post, here in the UK, but even more so in London and other big cities, you have to adapt to the conditions. There are plenty of good roads, get yourself on some LB rides to discover them.

As for the tarmac and weather…there’s nothing we can do about it so we learn to ride with it :w00t:

You only have to go as far as Wales to get a better riding experience and grippier roads :cool:

I rather be too hot than… well not even sure what I get here:):slight_smile: wet, cold… miserable…

If you know any websites or agencies let me know please. I wouldn’t midn trying my luck. Got a family friend who got a job offer there, $10000 a month… car and house paid by them… since in Dubai there is NO TAX… yes no tax… that’s $10k he pockets… imagine earning £ 7000 a month here… how much tax would you pay??? half that money would be gone for paying aome MP’s living expenses 2nd home in London.

A lot of this is about perspective. Are you glass half empty? Or glass half full?

I love the weather in the UK. It means that I can get on with my job (which I enjoy) and not be wanting to be outside all the time. Plus, it makes me a much better rider. On track, I excel in riding in the wet, when the fairweathers find their weakness. I find that rain is a great leveller and take pride in being able to deal with it well.

I was born in the UK. I have the choice of staying in the UK, or leaving it. So does everyone else…

Personally, if I don’t like something, I change it. I don’t just live with it and complain about it. That’s not to say that everything is perfect, nor that I love everything that there is to love about the UK (plus useful, progressive discussion is a bonus, too), but we aren’t going to be able to change many of the things that have been complained about (mountain sizes, weather…) so what do you propose to do about it!? :w00t:

I’m Italian too but I’ve been living in the uk since 1985 so my feeling and experiences are different from yours, I think a couple of years is still early days to feel completely part of the way of life in the uk.I too used to compare countries and ways of doing things and thinking but soon realised its pointless and only reinforced my (then) differences and didn’t allow me to truly enjoy Great Britain and join the British in their way of life and enjoy for what it is, not for how it is different to how life used to be for me.

I tell you, I love the UK, I love being a biker and I love riding in England, Devon and Cornwall (haven’t ridden the rest of the UK but I will). There’s something the British have which as a foreigner I had to understand and assimilate in my being before everything kinda 'fell in to place for me here. Its that never-give-up attitude, that thing that makes me check the weather forecast and if its above 10-12c temperature and isn’t raining I’m like “GAME ON!” and go…if its sunny even better, Box Hill, Aylesbury, Kent, Essex, whatever…

Weather like we have makes you appreciate the good days even more and you (should) end up making more of an effort to enjoy it. :slight_smile:

Yes the weather is what it is but honestly I only see ice on South East roads for about two to three winter months of the year, that still leaves nine months to enjoy riding.

Devon and Cornwall and Wales especially DO have many nice twisties roads (and local foods/ales…yum), some coast towns around Cornwall even remind me of the continent.

A few years back my wife and I bought a book which lists UK Farmhouse B&B from a camping shop and we just went on a roadtrip on our motorbikes to Cornwall, didn’t plan where to stay, just phoned up ahead and went if they had a room. Awesome way of seeing the country and meeting people.

When I’ve been back to Italy for a Holiday or seeing relatives now I feel foreign, the bureocracy and taxes/government is something which I now can’t accept, the British way of life works, yes there’s always something to complain about but thats the case about every country, nowhere is perfect while humans run things and corruption is given a chance to ruin things.

And anyway, if you get bored there’s always a ferry if you wanna tear up and upset the French :wink: Just remember to do a “V” sign with your fingers but the other way around (yes I know what that means history-wise) :slight_smile:

Max (Massimiliano)

Great post pitbull!! :cool:

Regarding the lack of UK racers in gp’s I can only agree that our riders have struggled to succeed there. We haven’t got the support from comercial entities to go racing like in italy/spain. Companies tend not to invest in bike racers unless they have a personal interest in the sport, and unlike spain/italy where racing is very popular in the mass media here in the UK folk seem to be blindly obsessed by a bunch of half wit toe rags jumping on the floor and crying every five seconds…sad state of affairs!!!

If in the UK we had the funding to race I am certain we would have more champions. I could name many riders that have shown the talent but not had the cash in recent years and it’s crap.

So the reason for us not having the guys at the top is because we don’t have the support at the bottom.

All this is made worse by day dreamers promising things they never deliver which just makes us all want to jack it in!

I think Scott Redding & Bradders are top racers with very bright futures, however, with 4 strokes becoming more prevelant I’m certain we are going to see more brits at the sharp end soon enough…we only have to look to WSB this season to see that!

What do you like about this kind of weather?

To learn how to ride on a wet surface it’s a good point and give you a much more sensible control of the bikes movements indeed, on the other hand if you don’t often have the possibility to practice on a dry surface you won’t learn how to ride faster.
And still looking at the races, generally the british riders are good and fast on wet conditions but then they cannot go faster on the dry.

I just would love to understand if those things I have written about, sound only strange to myself and which are your thoughts about.

as this post looks more and more a confessional for expatriates :slight_smile: ok, let’s go, same story for me, I’ve been moved over here by my company 3yrs ago, from Milan… I’ve got nothing to say about professional riding and sponsorships cause that’s not my field. As for road biking is concerned, the weather is probably the least of problems, speed enforcements and road regulations and a general obsession for safety (lap time transponders are forbidden on trackdays!!! :() are, I believe, among the worst in the world (maybe Singapore a bit worse?)…we all know pretending to exploit a modern sportsbike on the road is completely insane, nontheless, even without behaving like a fool, when I drive here I feel as the most important aspect of driving is to make sure you’re not doing 53 on a 50… so, very safe and very boring too… I would’t say, though, there are 2 different cultures between the two countries, it’s just that road safety in Italy is not as developed as in UK…not yet, just a matter of time and the joy of road riding in Italy will be ruined for good for the sake of the safety. That said I’m genuinely surprised to seeing such a great amount of passion around, for sports cars and motorbikes too…still so many petrolheads around… good good :smiley: