Buying a used bike - haggling!

I’m going to look at a bike on Saturday.

MZ Baghira comes with another set of rims with enduro wheels/rubber.

I’ve got my checklist to run through, but if all goes well I want to haggle on price a bit.

I’m not good at this and want some suggestions on how to do it right.

I’d usually start off buy working out a fair price based on ebay sales I’ve seen (actual final price) and then adjust for the condition of the bike in question.

I cant seem to do this without pissing people off though. Maybe I’m too direct, I dont know.

So how do you lot go about your haggling then? How do I not upset this taciturn northerner with my penny pinching cockney ways?

I tend to haggle on the phone first and then when I go and get the bike if I spot something I start rolling off the price. The reason being is I tend to go to the sticks to pick up bikes/cars as you get much better deals due to people’s laziness. However, if its a fair deal (like my last bike) I generally don’t tend to haggle. I just said to the guy lets be fair I travelled from London all the way here, which is 150-160 miles and he paid for my coach and petrol back to London which totalled to about £50 I think :).

I would keep in mind that it is a buyers market at the moment.

Know your absolute limit and stick to it. Take a wad of cash separated in different pockets which you can use to whet his appetite as you’re bargaining.

Don’t worry too much about upsetting him, if you do, he’ll eventually get money to console himself (if not from you, then from someone else).

Above all, don’t be in a hurry to buy the bike, or if you are, don’t give that impression.
Remember that another will come along, maybe even better than the MZ. Keeping this in mind gives you a mental advantage.

Well to be fair if he or she is expecting the price they advertised and does not want to haggle at all, he should put it in Bold, CAPS letters in the ad. Because to a certain extent there’s always going to be haggling and they should expect that.

What I did with both mine is walk around the bike and just note out all the things I don’t like. Don’t mention price at this point just talk and see what the reaction is. A lot of the time the reaction will be “it’s to be expected of a bike this age” or “yeah I know”. If it’s an issue that other bikes on ebay don’t have and they are the same price I will definitely make a point of mentioning.

Then after all is said and done, I add a few things like: “Well to round things up, and given I will have to spend some money on fixing up/ travel” or “how about you knock it to x amount so that then it all adds up to what you were asking for and I’ll buy it here and now?”. You’ll probably want to ask for a bit more on the cheeky side and get somewhere in between. To be fair I only got a 5-10% drop in both my bike sales as they were decently priced so maybe there are better ways of doing it.

Good haggling is a fine art (one I have not yet mastered). I was always told that you have to make it sound like you’re not doing it just to save money but because it’s a fair thing to do.

I’ve not made my usual mistake of buying the first one I see, I know what they go for and I’m happy enough to wait.

If its as hes said then I’m still knocking £100 off, and then I’ll say I’m not sure I want the extra set of wheels and see if he’ll say what hes willing to accept.

Just hope I’m not driving driving 2 hours for a dog of a bike and some mug with a sheepish grin on his face “its an old bike etc etc”

Good luck whatever the outcome :slight_smile:
The ‘chase’ is often the best part.

Once you buy it, it’ll be your responsibility when (if) it breaks down! :frowning:

buying cars, i used to call ask what the min price was once there if anything else was wrong then start knocking off from the min price.
then slap the cash down 7/10 times i walked away with a bargain. (i wouldnt take cash now as too many people get mugged)

When i bought my fazer I shortlisted 3, went to see the best one first told the sales man that im deff buying one today and this is the short list. He knock £700 off the price straight away (which was £200 less than the cheapest on the shortlist) and it was deff the cheapest around for the mileage, and from a dealer i couldnt complain. Plus the other 2 one was in slough and the other in southend…

its a buyers market, what ever you want to buy. (other than insurance :blush:)

Good luck

Make sure you do your research on common faults, service costs coming up, look for any paint job at the seems off all the panels and mark accordingly.

See if he has previous owners details or the garage its been serviced at and consider calling them before you go, someone who has nothing to hide should be able to give you something unless he/she has done the work themselves. Then ask if they have the receipts for parts (to help show it was done).

Check autotrader and ebay and take printed copies of anything you find at higher and lower prices (higher for better spec) for reference and to backup any points you have.

Consider going for a coffee and leaving them so you can sit and have a proper think. Take pics to view when you go for a sit down. Then see if you can go back in an hour to look again and have a chat.

If someone has a crappy attitude when I am looking and walk away, its meant to be enjoyable and as long as you dont come across as wasting their time someone who wants to sell will answer everything clearly.

I usually ask people what their happy price is not what they have asked and then cut down from there if you feel its needed.

You may know all this but I started so i’ll finish :wink:

try doing it like this…

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YVYW-4zPKLE

In the current bike market I would worry little about upsetting anyone . Batter them on the price . Lowball offers of the most insulting kind are being accepted just now . For instance I have a 2005 aprilia tuono ready to go new tyre etc … right now for 2500 quid come and ride it away . Came on my stock list last week … And thats me turning it round for a profit !!

I fooking hate haggling.

Don’t even bother with haggling on the phone, every time I’ve sold something and people have called to ask me what I’ll take for it over the phone, they have generally been time wasters.

As you’ve looked around, you know what the prices are, so you’re either in the ball park or you’re not.

So get down there, as there’s no substitute for being stood in front of someone and if you’ve made the effort, then they know you’re serious. Greet the seller, be nice and friendly, smile and be as confident as you can, without being a kn0b. Tell him that you plan to have a quick look around the bike, have a look at the paperwork and then see from there, as you have another one to look at later and another one to look at tomorrow.

Have a proper look around the bike, take a pad and note down all the faults you can find, including any damage to paint, stickers, panels, wheels etc. Look at all the paperwork and check all the numbers, inspect any other bits that are going to come with the bike and then list down what condition all the consumables are in.

Once you’ve done all of that, you’ll have a proper idea of what this bike is like, plus, you should have a list of things to haggle on (or not).

Above all else, keep things lighthearted and friendly, compliment the seller on their lovely house (if they have one), get them talking about bikes, about football, whatever, they need to feel relaxed and not on edge. Make sure you do not make any compliments about the bike, but do point out any faults you find, or bring them to the sellers attention by running your hand across a mark on the bodywork, or by saying things like “pads are a bit low” but make sure everything you say is in an easy and soft tone, so that the seller thinks you’re just pointing out what you see and not ripping his pride and joy apart.

So, once you’ve decided if you like it enough to make a bid on it, then it’s time to get down to business. Start with something like “overall it looks ok” (if it does), and then go on to mention the few bits you picked up on earlier, but keep it lighthearted and don’t list all the faults you found. Then go on to say that as you mentioned earlier, you’ve got a couple of others to see, but is he willing to listen to offers?

He’ll then reply that he is, so now’s your time to ask him where he sees it at. Let’s say for example the bike is 2k, he’ll probably say he want’s 1800 or 1900 quid for it. You then need to pause for maybe 30 seconds or so without saying anything (this is a good time to refer to the list you made earlier), make him wait, as he’ll be feeling a little on edge now, the longer you can pause here the better, but if he doesn’t say anything more, then it’s time for you to make an offer.

Right, so lets say that you want to get it for 1700, you then need to counter with the following “hmmm, With the bits that need doing I was thinking more like 1400” keep it lighthearted though, do not jump straight in and say it in a calm and relaxed manner.

He’ll then say that he can’t let it go for that price, now it’s time to take another pause for 30 seconds or so. The key to all of this is staying calm and relaxed, the seller needs to know you’re interested, but also feel that you’ll walk away if the deal isn’t working for you. Anyway, after the pause, the seller might make you a counter offer and it’s likely to be a further 100 quid reduction, pause again and then come up 50 or 100 quid and say it’s the best you can do. Don’t say anything else, just wait, he’ll need time to think about it.

He won’t want to lose the sale, he’s spent time with you, he knows you’re serious and you’ve been honest and open with him the whole time, he’ll then counter again, or say that 1700 quid is the best he can do, have a little think and then say that you can maybe stretch to another 50 or 100 quid (1600) but that’s all you have in the budget, as you need to spend money on sorting out the bits you mentioned earlier.

The final stage is just about who’s going to be the bravest, don’t say anything, he needs to know you’re about to walk away on the deal as you’re at your limit, this is a good time to reach into your pocket and get your car keys out (as if you’re getting ready to leave). He’ll then make another offer, or try and call your bluff by sticking to his guns, it’s up to you if you want to meet his price, call his bluff by thanking him and starting to walk away, or offer your 1600 quid again.

The final price is up to you from there.

Above all else, keep it all lighthearted, be sincere and smile as you do all of this and you’ll be just fine.

Good luck and let us know how you get along :slight_smile:

Apparently you “drag him out of the tree, kick him to the kerb and meet him on the pavement.” That was the advise from Dom Little in a used car buying guide I have. I think you also have to try and detach yourself from the sale. That can be difficult when buying from a biker as you both have something to build rapport with or if you are the type of person that likes making friends.

It helps if you have time also because then you can use the most powerful technique of all, “walking away.”

When I bought my car I got an upgraded warranty and six months road tax. I thought that was a good deal but I’m not sure if it was really, it ammounted to about £360 in added value, no money off though. I had the money, I liked the car and I didn’t have much time. It worked out ok for me in the end. There may have been another £50 of to be had but I doubt it would have been much more.

Cheers for all the advise.

I’ll let you know how I get on!

Thanks for the advise on the current market. I feel more confident with the price I had in mind.

I just want this bike to be “the one”

Bike was rough, would need forks re chroming, touching up the paint on frame and forks, suspension refreshing and all the panels where sunfaded and a bit rough.

Worth maybe £840, bit more with the extra set of off road wheels. But the time you’d have cleaned it up it up properly it probably wouldnt of been worth the time, hassle and expense.

So another saturday morning and 220 miles gone then…:crying:

Saw a very clean ccm 644 dual sport outside of infinity in vauxhall this afternoon, might go and have a look at one of those.:w00t:

Althought the MZ, even on the nobbly tires was great to ride :crazy: