Another tragic accident.

Not for the first time another ad hoc stunt show at the Ace has gone wrong. While discussing the day’s ride out me Hennessy and Project heard a bike crash and saw the crowd rushing to the roundabout to the left of the cafe.

It appeared that some dude on a brand new Buell was wheelying past and a car turned left out of the roundabout (misjudging the bike’s speed, or not looking?). Rumour has it that the guy panicked a bit, and lost control as he went over the roundabout and came off, into the railings that start just after the roundabout. The bike carried on and smashed into the back of the car, which must have been end on to him by this stage with the results as you can see.

To my mind, the car had left the roundabout by the time of the impact, and so didn’t pull out directly into his path. But that’s a guess.

My point is this. When is enough gonna be enough. When somebody gets killed? Or when the police insist on putting speed humps down to stop this going on?

Now I’m a great fan of the impromptu stunt shows put on by Ghostie and his crew, and as experts they are without a doubt operating within their limits. But this MUST be encouraging everybody else to try it. And I’m really concerned that the matter will be taken out of our hands sooner rather than later. Perhaps the Ace and the stunt crews who use the cafe as a practice/show ground can think of something to keep this safe. I’d hate to see the end of all the stunting, but you know what I mean here yes?

PS. The guy seemed okay’ish - no obvious breaks but the ambulance crew were taking no chances with the spine. Bike - well, you can see.

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That’s what happens when people try to do a wheelie! How could he!

But I agree with Andrew, the road outside of the Ace it’s definately too busy for that.

Buell…

Hope the guy is ok. looks like some bad rear end damage to the car as well.
I do enjoy watching people stunting, but sometimes when there are some people out there I’d much rather stand behind a row of cars for my own safety, no disrespect to anyone, there are some people who know how it’s done and others who are still “learning”.

Anyway I do hope the guy is gonna make a speedy recovery.

Sorry, but **** happens to everyone. And when youv’e got experience it doesn’t mean that when the driver in front of you will for example suddenly stop the experienced stuntman will fly over the car…

I rember seeing the bike wheelie past the Ace and then thinking “damn thats going too fast to get round that round about.” Then CRASH… BANG… WOLLOP…

Doing wheelies into that small round about really isn’t a very safe thing to do in my books and really proves it tonight. Good to see that the guy was awake and talking when I got over to him, so good to see he wasn’t too injured. Although he was put into a neck brace and taken in the ambulance on a spinal board, I hope theres no bad injuries.

As for stunting infront of the ace, I’m sure they all know the risks… well except for those people who are quite inexperienced. Just don’t want to see anyone go under one of those Royal Mail lorries in the evenings.

What I don’t want to see is the Ace being closed down because they think its too dangerous, just glad theres no residental area near so no old people to complain lol.

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Point taken, however when there is no cars around for anyone to run into I’d still rather stand behind a parked car as some people have less controll over their bike, whilst stunting.

Yes **** does happen but TBO it’ll happen more to an inexperienced stunter than someone who has done it for years.

I can’t pull a wheelie to safe my life (not on purpose anyway) and that is why I don’t try to do it.

Hrm, depressing for sure. We all like to watch the stunts, it’s one of the reasons people go to the Ace, for the atmosphere it brings. I’m sure it won’t go on for long like this, someone will intervene, and most likely with a solution that isn’t what everybody will want.

I’m glad the guy is okay, but as people have already said, there is an attraction for the novice stunt guys, to try their skills out, and it doesn’t always go the way they intended, but then again, I’ve seen so-called seasoned stunters go across that roundabout at a very high speed on one wheel, which leaves them absolutely no way to stop for people coming onto the roundabout from a different direction at speed. A lot of cars do this, especially chav’d up novas and the like.

What’s needed is a space for the guys to do their own thing, without traffic, though of course there’s a whole string of legalities that present themselves are hurdles for anything like this, but it’s fairly common in the States for areas like this to be setup, so if it’s possible for them, then we should be trying to go in this direction I feel.

On the other hand, people have been crashing at Chelsea Bridge for as long as I’ve been riding and nothing’s been done about that, so maybe it’ll just carry on. I just hope it doesn’t cost Mark and Linda (Ace Cafe owners) their license.

OMG Glad the guy wasn’t seriously injured. His bike didn’t fair too well.

MMM the stunting difficult one really. I have watched the shows many times and can tend to see an accident waiting to happen. No matter how skilled you are though stunting will go wrong and in that environment people will get hurt. The stunting directly outside the ace is not too bad. It’s when 60-70 mph plus wheelies are performed past the ace and across the roundabout it makes me cringe and just waiting for an accident to happen. It’s also bad when stunting is going on amongst lots of traffic.

I love watching it but hate the accidents and you can’t have one without the other. I seriously think though that the police will have taken some action by this time next year speed humps and speed camera’s on that section of road.

hi fellow bikers,

Im one of the marshalls that was there today and was there at the accident (the person with ginger hair) from what the police told me from which the car driver told them was that he went left at the roundabout and stopped behind the white van to drop his mate off and then he looked in his mirror before pulling out and then pulled out, when he did pull out he looked again to see the bike flying towards the rear of his car. The biker on the bike is ok no major damage thank god, and was back down the ACE later that evening between 7:30pm and 8pm he’s bike is a complete write off by the looks of it and when speaking to him he told us that he put on the brakes and lost it before going onto the roundabout, just before the island in the middle and slid it sparks flying into the railing, it then went off the railing into the back of the car.

The bad thing about the accident was that the biker was only third party fire and theft insured

He must have been travelling about 60 mph when he braked maybe even faster

The main thing is that the guy wasn’t hurt badly, and wish him a speedy recovery…

It’s the same old story again. There is too much traffic on a Sunday daytime on the road outside the Ace. You can’t mix stunting and traffic, someone ALWAYS comes unstuck.

There have been more accidents outside the Ace this year, with one of them seriously hurting three innocent kids. Linda and Mark are going to lose their licence if this carries on, and no one wants to see the Ace shut down.

Would you be the person who attempted the ‘being dragged behind a bike while sliding on my trainers’ trick, rather unsuccessfully I might add?

LoL

Nice one mate, you gave us a giggle. Bet your palm stings.

Sorry to hear about this, as much as I admire the skills of seasoned stunters at the ace they do encourage others of varying skill to have a go. Just my opinion but when something like this happens it does little for promoting bikers as responsible road users… I’m a fine one to talk having fairly recently had a b0ll0cking from the chair of the Parish Council at the village where I work for a minger I pulled on the A25 on the way to work

Hope the rider is ok.

Sorry to sound like a old fart ( all of 30 I might add ) , but this sort of reckless biking really pi$$es me off. We have enough troubles shaking tired old stereotypes as it is, without reckless riders doing stuff like this.

To me it’s a bit black and white. The guy on the bike was wheeling on a public road , so pick your offence

  1. reckless endangerment
  2. undue care and attention or
  3. Assault with a deadly weapon.

He is in the wrong regardless of what the car driver did and didn’t do .

We’ve all done it, been with other people pushed a little harder than we should but you choose your times and places.

Ace’s is about bike life and life style and yes there is the whole TON UP history but it’s not TON UP on a small B Road with a bus stop and a round about.

Ace’s is a haven’t at the moment where we don’t seem to get hassled and the police actively use the place for things like Bike Safe. I am glad to hear the rider is ok and the driver too, but the fact this rider may only have 3rd party insurance is possibly the best thing to come of yesterday . Hit him in the pocket rather than the law coming down on the rest of us…

Rant over … It could of course be bike envy as the SV hasn’t had its front wheel off of the ground ever

Ouch! … broken Buell … only TPF&T … double ouch!!

Glad the guy’s okay though!

It’s a sticky subject, stunting on a public road, especially in front of a venue like the Ace … there’s no easy solution … except to leave it to the well seasoned stunters.

I have a few thoughts on this one…

I was not there… but want to blame the car driver anyway… its the biker part of me that believes they are all out to get me. I mean, he said he looked in the mirror… TWICE… AS IF!!! hehe. (should have done a shoulder check anyway)

Why? How could he? For what reason did the innocent buell have to give up its life… its makes me ill to think about it.

How to reduce accidents at the ACE…

Make it a one way road…
Put a stop sign on entry to the rounabout…
Ask permission to close the road, and allow control to marshall’s who will monitor the number of bikes using it and remove the novice…

These ideas will only reduce fun or be impossible to get done.

How about we create a ‘stunting’ commitee. Adminstered by the seasoned stunters. They will give permission to those wishing to stunt, can give guidence to novices. Breaking the rules, could mean banning from the ace.

But let’s face it… the guys that can stunt are having too much fun to be bolloxed about other idiots on the road.

So in conclusion… The stunting will continue, the accidents will continue, and you can say bye to the ACE if someone gets killed… let’s just hope no more bikes get hurt.

Legally, if the police saw he was wheelying/witnesses reported it is his fault regardless of whether the car driver saw him.

The ace should somehow close that road of when they are doing events (if possible) as it isnt safe. Im not saying that the stunters arent skilled enough to handle a car being on the road, because they are, but is it worth the risk if something like now goes wrong?

I see police patrol that road from time and i reckon there gonna start arresting ppl/giving points to set examples.

he said he looked in the mirror… TWICE… AS IF!!! hehe.

Yeah, the *******! How dare he not think some arsehole would be screaming along a tiny 30mph road, and through a mini roundabout, too!

How to reduce accidents at the ACE…

Make it a one way road…

Which is what the Ace have proposed to the council

Put a stop sign on entry to the rounabout…

What difference would that make? Any arsehole who’s already prepared to power wheelie over it at the moment isn’t going to stop because of some sign. Or were you thinking it would make it safer for the arseholes to power wheelie over it because at least some of the cars would stop?

Ask permission to close the road, and allow control to marshall’s who will monitor the number of bikes
using it and remove the novice…

That’ll never happen in a million years for a number of reasons, the main one being someone then’s legally responsible for anything and everything that happens. At the moment the Ace makes a hell of a lot of money from not doing anything to stop people stunting without having to take any responsibility for it

It makes huge financial sense - just look at Streetfighters Sunday, which even the mag had decided isn’t safe anymore…

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This is a good idea in principle, but how can anyone give “PERMISSION” to ride what can only be deemed illegally on a public road?

End of the day, he chose to pop the wheelie. You can’t stop people doing it. I’m supprised no-one has been hurt at the Ace, and that’s not just about bad stunters, but also retarded twats who line the road, walk into the road and cause the road to shrink from a normal size, to a thin stip down the white lines. People move closer to the action making it dangerous. So if they get hit, that’s tough **** as far as I’m concerned.

Ok it wasn’t the drivers fault this time, maybe, but he’s driving a car so stuff him. I hate car drivers.

Just think, ban all cars, we could wheelie when ever we wanted

I have been to ace many times and I do love to watch the AWOL boys in action, the only thing is when other people try it they might be ok popping one on the back wheel down a quite road with no one watching, its when you have everyone watching taking photos, I find things start getting out of control they cant handle the peer pressure, I am as bad as anyone I do the odd one out side the cafe but I keep it with in my limit by far and I dont try anything new.

The main thing what makes me bite my tounge is when people do it across the mini round about or on to it, you know its going to happen one day soon and looking at this it did.

I always wheelie away from the round about and if I ever do it towards the mini round about I drop the front wheel by the bus stop so I give myself room for error or someone else’s, im not trying to claim I am the next ghostie but its just common sense and if you ignore it you will come unstuck I hope the rider is ok and that this will teach him a lesson he will never forget.

Give yourself room and be safe.