A valuble advice

Last 27th Feb me and a group of friends were devastated to learn that our mate Howard died in a bike accident being side swiped by a van, Howard apparently had only got into bikes in the last 18 to 20 months, he was riding a 750cc sportbike and perhaps he hadn’t gathered, in that short period of time, a lot of experience with the risks involved in riding in the London traffic. Cars, vans, HGV’s and buses all competing for that same stretch of tarmac. It’s a known fact that when a bike is involved in such accident the rider is the one more likely to suffer the most.

Later on that month a chap whom I don’t know who was the bf of one of my work collegues similarly died in another london accident leaving a 5 yr old son, and only one week before Ali died, I was informed of another similar casualty in West London…

I understand these riders were all quite young.

As a 40+ old man, I would like make a suggestion to all young riders here to take an Advance Motorcycling Course which can give you more chances of keeping your skin:

you will be taking a few days one to one training with experienced police riders and when you pass the course you are left with a lot more knowledge and risk cutting skills but also you will also have a certificate stating that you have passed and advanced riding course which will will entitle you to a cheaper insurance.

I have been reading the link below and I am very interested to take this course myself, and if anyone here wants to join me, let me know I am sure these will be best £300 we have ever spent. So between a set of race cans and this course I would certainly chose the course.

http://www.ridetosurvive.co.uk/

Let me know if anyone is interested.

Thanks Capt.

i was planning to do one of these once i passed my test. i did one a few years back for cars. and they are really pretty good. made a huge difference in the way i drove.

And on the plus side lowers insurance premiums…

How unfortunate But it does happen. You’re right in that more people should take further training, it really does help. There’s more than one way to do it as well. LB also recommends BikeSafe, the one-day observation/advice riding day with the Metropolitan Police. It’s a hugely successful service and a great day out is had by all. Forgot what you may think about it being a slow ride necessarily or for old fuddy-duddies, it’s not.

http://londonbikers.com/partners/bikesafe.aspx

All the LB staff have completed BikeSafe and all came away with something learnt and felt more confident about riding on the road after. No matter how much experience you have, there’s always something to learn, and more fun to be had with riding on the road. Technique is king.

Stay safe guys and girls. It need not be dangerous out there.

I’d like to do an advanced riding course, but can’t, as my bike is not capable of motorway speeds. I’m much more likely to be injured in town riding, as even with a big bike, I would be avoiding the boring motorways, but cannot get advanced training. The last few accidents we’ve heard about were at 50mph or below, so perhaps this 70mph requirement should be scrapped.

actually thats a good point Paivi. Does anyone know of any sort of safety course for riders who are only on L plates?

Yea, think it’s a good idea, i plan to do a bikesafe day this year, every little helps i think.

Bikesafe will organise the day so that everyone is on similar capacity bikes, so no-one gets left behind. Give them a bell, I did one about 18 months ago and it was well worth it, if only for having a copper behind you encouraging you to give it the berries

Paivi,

I can check with Bikesafe but i would be keen to do that, so lets chat tomorrow night about it?

Thanks Johnny

Good idea Trisckie,

I’ll have a look into it…

How was Sunday btw?

I’ve done BikeSafe twice, but it’s not quite the same thing as an Advanced riding course. I’d like to get practical training in how to keep the bike upright if I hit diesel or ice (or wet manhole covers). Not sure if anybody does this in the UK (in Finland it’s part of your basic training which is now done in two stages, summer and winter).

These are definitely the words of reason!! … I’m gonna book myself a bikesafe course this Summer for sure.

me too - really must get on with it - I’ve been saying I’m going to do it for an age - let me know when you go - perhaps we can do it together?

m

You need to contact them, give them your bike details as well as your experience. They’ll then give you a date, because the idea is to match people with similar bikes and experiences. You can certainly send a joint query, but this might delay your course, unless of course the two of you are ideally matched. Make that phone call now, as they are very busy at the moment, and you want to do this course this side of summer…

my details have been with them since before Christmas - I only got a note through the post from them this week so I’m not holding my breath on when we’re actually going to get to go!

Will give them a call today perhaps.

m

I did a one day course with this guy.

I can highly recommend him.

http://www.survivalskills.clara.net/index.htm

I’ll add my two penneth worth if I may. (edit - more like a tenner - you may read this in installments)

Paivi - I doubt you’ll find courses that teach you how to save a front wheel slide on a wet manhole (ooo matron) or diesel patch. The purpose of Advance Training is to make you see them and avoid them safely and in good time.

I have been a member of the Institute of Advanced Motorists for 4 years now, and qualified (although no longer practice) as an Observer - basically the guys who rides with you until your are a test-level when a Senior does a mock test with you to make sure. I would recommend joining your local group http://www.iam.org.uk/IAMGroups/postcode_search.php.

These groups are, it must be said, largely populated by the stereotypical older guys with tourers and so can be a little ‘dry’ for us younger (just) go-getters. But their real advantages are :

  1. Cost. Each ride you go on (lesson) costs only a contribution to petrol - about a tenner. Joining in the first place costs a nominal fee as does the actual exam. The point is that it is much cheaper than a £300 training day with an independant company.

  2. Frequency. The lessons are likely to be about and hour and a half, but are made between you and your observer. There is no preset number of lessons required, and no real hurry to do them.

  3. Group facilities. The group you join will without any doubt organise rideouts, specific training days, etc etc, ours even do holiday trips. All of which are optional and will only cost what it costs. You don’t have to buy the sweatshirts or caps, you don’t even have to attend the meetings, but they do good things and you’d not get the most out of them if you didn’t go.

  4. Technique. The important one. The IAM test is largely based upon the Police Motorcycle Roadcraft Manual. Many of the senior observers and group members are Police Class 1 licence holders (widely recognised as the best riding standard in the World), and all the examiners have to be Class 1 holders if memory serves me. Observers are assessed by Police riders, or a least I was, to ensure that we can walk the walk and we were also coached to talk the talk. We don’t follow Roadcraft exactly, but it’s ideas and practices are easy to spot. Personally, I don’t treat the IAM stuff as gospel, but it is a guide and does make you ride better and think about what you are doing, and more importantly, about to do.

So I think the IAM, taken in the right way and with the right attitude, is a very effective and economical way to improve your riding. I think it should be the bare minimum anyone thinks about in terms of ‘Advanced Riding’.

After that come the courses run by private individuals and companies. There is a lot of concern in the ‘advanced riding world’ that there is no real standard laid down for these companies. So there is a real problem knowing if somebody you are paying a lot of money to actually knows what they are talking about and can explain things to you in the relatively short space of time available (a day).

The compressed nature of these courses doesn’t appeal to me as I can’t listen to someone for a day and take it all in. No way.

So I am going to forget and lose the techniques over a period of time.

I think these things are the next step from IAM, which will teach you the fundementals of advanced riding much cheaper, and so you can go one to one with someone (minimum Class 1 and Rospa Gold, preferrably with coaching/teaching qualification) to move onto real high level stuff.

That said I recently had (at an IAM evening) a presentation from these guys, Rapid Training (.co.uk) who are based here in Bucks nr Aylesbury. The head guy, Gary Baldwin, is a Police Accident Investigator and all round sound guy. They are the company that produce the Advanced Lessons in Bike magazine and won the contract to train all the EMAP (who own most bike magazines) journalists. They know their stuff and I’d recommend them to anyone. And they do track lessons that are biased towards road riding.

And finally, or should it be firstly, Bikesafe. Why people haven’t paid their £30 or whatever pityfully small amount it is yet is beyond me. It will give an idea what constitutes advanced riding (common sense and appropriate levels of speed), show you that police are humans, and teach you things that you didn’t know. You will be a better rider at the end of the day. I’m soon to book my second, and I expect to see some LB’ers there.

All that said, unless you approach any of these training sessions with a wide-open mind, and are prepared to carry on listening when someone tells you that your riding is pants/dangerous/scary/top class, you’ll waste your time, money and worse, someone else’s time.

I’ve already been helping one member here with their riding, and he is a good listener and I believe he will show real improvements over the coming months. You must be able to accept criticism without stropping or crying.

I plan to do a bike safe once i’m back on my baby/bike

Andrew, thanks for this info! It’s good stuff. I’ll no doubt have a chat with you about some of this on Wednesday … if that’s okay.

mattcbf600, I’m up for doing Bikesafe with you if you like. Give me a tap on the shoulder on Wednesday. I ride the red ZX12R. If I spot you first, I’ll say hello.

great see you there - I look a bit like this -

http://www.myspace.com/matthewcashmore

scary I know.

Many thanks to all of you for your response and I appreciate that hopefully some of you are taking my advice seriously. Just remember we are not all born on 2 wheels and there is a lot to learn about riding safely which is what you can’t possibly learn by simply doing a CBT and passing your test.

good luck to all and stay safe