The Engine Wars

I found this very interesting article about the differences betweem V-twins and Inline 4s that i want to share:


[As we know] Single/V-Twin is made for torque, a In-line 4/6 is made for horsepower. But Why, When and How is this possible and where does it take place?

Every engine I know of both the torque and the horsepower curves (not matter how funny they are) will meet at roughly 5,252 rpm and be equal. The formula is a constant. What’s important here is that HP is related to torque and speed of the engine. (hp=torque*RPM/5252, if RPM=5252 then RPM/5252=1 so hp=torque).

Now you must be wondering why we use HP to rate engines? What’s the point if the rate of change in speed is defined by torque? Hp is a measure of how well the engine can produce torque at high rpm. Lots of HP can mean two things: 1st: The engine can rev very fast, and 2nd: The engine makes a lot of torque at high rpm. To explain why HP can be good even if it’s nothing in itself, we’ll use the example of a Honda CB750 racing against a Yamaha V-Star 1100:

Honda CB750 (67.7 HP @ 8350 RPM and 45.6 ft/Lbs @ 6800 RPM of torque) versus a Yamaha V-Star 1100 (53.5hp@5900 and 57.8lbs@2500 of torque). The reason for the Honda CB750 to produce more HP is that the torque curve is tilted more towards high-rpm and the redline is higher. When driving smoothly around town, the Yamaha V-Star 1100 will feel more powerful than the Honda CB750 because it is producing more torque at low-rpm, the Honda2002 Honda CB900F (919) HornetCB750 will have to rev it’s engine a lot more than the Yamaha V-Star 1100 to keep the pace. On the other hand, if the two meets at the drag strip, the Honda CB750 will give a hard time to the V-Star. The Yamaha V-Star 1100 may have a much better launch due to it’s good torque at low-RPM, however, as the revs rise, the CB750 will start gaining speed faster because it will be in its powerband, while the Yamaha V-Star 1100 will start to gain speed slower. Then the 5900RPM mark will arrive on the Yamaha V-Star 1100 and the rider will have to shift into second gear.

But the best thing would be the perfect compromise between the both. For 44o V-Twin 1988 Honda NTV Hawk example, the higher redline and more powerful nature of the Inline-4 engine won’t necessarily mean that it will win: the most important part of a very short race is the launch and because of it’s torque, the Yamaha V-Star 1100 will launch faster than the Honda CB750, and will cover more distance in the same time. When the Honda CB750 gets in it’s powerband, it will be behind the Yamaha V-Star 1100 and will have to work harder to get ahead and surpass it on a longer stretch. On a very short race, (e.g. Stop light GP) the V-Star will win, but on long distances, the Honda CB750 will have the advantage.

For everyday people, torque is more important than HP because riders usually stay below 5500RPM, that’s why most motorcycle manufacturers (like Yamaha) tune their motorcycles to get more torque at low-rpm at the expense of some high-end power. And the fun part for them is that it’s usually cheaper to make an engine with good low-end torque.

Yamaha V-Star 1100: 14.50-sec. @ 90.3 mph best quarter-mile acceleration.
Honda CB750: 12.74 sec. @ 103.14 mph best quarter-mile acceleration.

Dyno Charts

A dynamometer (or dyno for short) see: How they Work is a machine designed to measure horsepower and torque from a vehicle under load. They give you a line graphic showing you the results.

The dyno charts are a great way to understand why engines “feel” like they do and you can actually “see” the difference in that “feeling” using the charts.

Inline-4 Dyno Honda CB750

You can easily see that the Inline-4 produces the strongest torque in the middle RPM range for the engine, but drops sharply at either end. This type of torque is best suited for middle to upper RPM ranges and these bikes are best suited for that type of riding.

Inline-4 Engines: Dyno Honda CB750 Horsepower

You can see by the Inline-4 horsepower chart that the engine will just keep gaining more and more speed until very near it’s red line. As with the Inline-4 torque chart, this type of horsepower is best suited for middle to upper RPM ranges and these bikes are best suited for that type of riding.

It is easy to see why the Inline-4 engine is best suited to bikes designed to go fast and use high Rpm’s. These motorcycles will generally be the fastest types on the road in their engine sizes.

Single Cylinder Engines: Dyno Honda XR650L BMW F650GS

The single cylinder engine produces both its torque and horsepower in the low to middle RPM range only and this is good for slower speed riding situations.

Many dirtbikes, dual sports, enduro and motocross motorcycles use this type of engine since top speed is not as important and pushing through terrain at low speeds.

V-Twin Engine: Dyno-Yamaha V-Star 1100 Silverado 1063cc

The V-Twin engine is designed to produce lots of torque a very low RPMs. While horsepower is good in the middle range. While this type of engine may not be as fast as an Inline-4, you will actually feel like you would get there faster.

Very suitable for normal everyday riding where speeds are set by legal limits and acceleration is appreciated to get to the legal limits. While many cruisers use this type of engine, some sport bikes are using it as well but because of the HP and torque curves, these types of bikes will generally not be as fast as the Inline-4’s.

Harley-Davidson V-Twin Engine: Dyno - Harley XL1200S

Like the Yamaha, the Harley has the same characteristics and will give the same type of acceleration “feeling” regardless of the way it sounds.

While sound is also very characteristic, it does nothing for how HP and Torque curves are.

Conclusion

So there you have it. Not only do you understand engines, but also the design, horsepower, torque, sound, and reasons behind putting that type of engine in a bike. You can easily see that there is no “perfect” do-it-all engine, only compromises since every design does something better than another design.

Yes, you could put an Inline-4 into a Cruiser, or a V-Twin/Single into a sports bike, but they will have a completely different character than if switched around. Maybe that is what you want? Or that is what appeals to you. If so, speak with your pocketbook at your local motorcycle dealer. Yes, the manufacturers will hear your voice with every bike like that sold.

from http://www.totalmotorcycle.com/school-SectionSixB.htm

Nice one fella. Though it’s worth pointing out that modern inline-4’s put out more torque than comparable v-twins. The main advantage/disadvantage in going for either is in the power delivery characteristics. Specifically how tyre wear is affected.

I’m no I4 die-hard, but I’d say I4’s have more life in them development wise.

Then of course there’s what makes your heart sing.

Nice one! Long enough to be informative and short enough not to be boring!

Now I feel a little more enlightened. I guess this is why it’s so different to wheelie an VT over an I4 (so I’m told as I can’t really wheelie yet!). I’m guessing the VT needs less revs?

Interesting read

I think its a shame that the “Big 4” have all opted to go the IL4 route recently.

I would have loved to have seen a bit more effort going into developing the TL range of Suzukis instead of giving up on it. Its a stonking engine with a lot of potential.

I would have loved to have seen a Honda V5 sports bike. its a lovely engine configuration, i’ve had a couple of cars with V5’s and they are as smooth as silk

They did develop it fella, into mine… ok detuned TL engine.

I have to admit, I prefer the noise of a v-twin over a screamer!

No offence meant Andy, I meant development as in for WSB. I’m convinced that they could have walloped Ducati with the right chassis.

I agree with you on one thing, nothing sounds quite like a big V

No offence taken big guy. I do agree with you thoughm honda proved it was possible with the SP, but see that the IL4 is the way forward. Agree with Jay in more development potential.

I’m unsure about IL4 being the way forward as far as development potential.

I always look towards bike racing and in particular MotoGP where “anything goes” as far as engine layouts.

In the current crop of bikes only Yamaha and Kawasaki are using IL4s.

Honda have gone for V5 (again)

Suzuki have a V4 in its GSV-R

Ducati have also got a V4 in it’s GP745

and Ilmore (bless em) tried with a V4

I can see why the production bikes are mainly IL4 - it’s ease of manufacture and less complicated to assemble and fewer bits to make

But less isn’t always more

"In the current crop of bikes only Yamaha and Kawasaki are using IL4s.

Honda have gone for V5 (again)"

I’m pretty sure that the RC212V is a V4 (rumour has it, that its the 990 engine minus a cylinder, but I’m sure that’s not true)

I read somewhere once that V4 is the best compromise between engine efficiency and size (specifically profile) for a bike, sadly not many on the road now, as they also tend to be a bit complicated engineering wise.

I still have a burning desire for a Yamaha RD500 V4 2 stroke from the 80s… one day she will be mine…

Ooops, i stand corrected. I got me 211 and 212 confuddled

Yep V’s are the way forward IMO