The All New 2008 Bike Test

I am an instructor teaching people to ride motorcycles, on all levels.

I have today taken part in the TRL/DSA (transport research laboratory / diving standards agency) assessment for the new off-road section of the re-vamped 2008 motorcycle test, being introduced next year; this was an assessment of the viability of the off-road element of the test.

I took three candidates. All three are currently doing training for the current DAS (Direct Access Scheme) test on a 500cc machine, which will give them a full, unrestricted bike license.

1st - A deaf student, has had 3 x 4hour-long DAS training lessons; I gave him 1/2 an hour off road instruction at our site on the new test before taking him over; A quick demo at the DSA site and one practice run; His only fault was a rear wheel lock-up on the emergency stop.

2nd - has had 12 hours DAS training; no training for the ‘new’ test, just a quick run through at the DSA site; watched me, then had one practice; only fault was he clipped a cone on the hazard avoidance test.

3rd - has had 8 hours DAS and the same on-site as the 2nd candidate; no faults.

Ok, with reservations regarding inclement weather for the 50kph (31.5mph) hazard avoidance swerve, I am going to stick my neck out and say the new off-road section is NOT hard at all. We can easily train students for this.

Will it make for better riders than we produce now? NO.

Will it make motorcyclists safer on the road? NO. Emphatically NO.

Is it a total waste of time? YES.

My suggestions for making the roads safer? Re-test for ALL road users after 5 years on the road; Include motorway driving in the test; ALL drivers with foreign licenses MUST take British test before driving over here. Ban ALL drivers for one year for using mobile phones whilst driving.

Really wanna make things safer for bikers? Ok, remove the ABS, airbags, seat betls, side-impact protection, and crumple zones from cars; fit a 12" spike into the centre of the steering wheel. Heavy penalties for those who cause accidents, including permanant consfication of license until a stiffer re-test is sat. Then, and only then, will they slow down and take notice of what is going on around them.

Someone asked me:- <<Would people like you, within the training industry ever say “Wait a minute, you’re missing the point - training the victims isn’t the answer.” ?>>

YES! Absolutely!

  1. WHY is there no off-road training for car drivers before they take to the road, like CBT for bikers?

  2. Why is there no Hazard Perception test ON ROAD for car drivers to see how good they are, when actually driving a car, to see what they fail to see? Doing it on the computer screen, while NOT in control of a car, is less valuable than A VIDEO GAME. Why not introduce ‘The Commentary’ as part of the test, as used by the police force driver training?..

  3. WHY is the only legal requirement for clothing, when riding a bike, Helmet and pants (and Bra for ladies)? Stunningly true! That is all you have to wear, by law; madness! Make CE approved armoured gear compulsory; this will NOT be popular, sorry folks, but as a rider of 34 years experience, and having had accidents myself, I can see the sense of it; there is plenty of winter and summer gear available that fits the bill. It would make a significant improvement to the survivability of many accidents.

  4. Bring motorway driving, and lane discipline, into the test, along with fog light usage too.

If you’d like to know more about the test, look here. You will find links to maps of the cone lay-out.

http://www.dsa.gov.uk/Category.asp?cat=405

Rant over… I welcome your comments and ideas; I will be putting recommendations forward to the TRL, so type away, but keep it real, please, folks;

Be careful out there! Safe riding.

Why are spotty 18 year olds allowed to pass the driving test and drive any car no matter what the cc is yet a biker/bikerette has to wait til he/she is 21 before he.she can take a DAS, talk about double standards

That, Trisckie, is why they are known, in the trade, as The Double Standards Agency :wink:
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Was at the DSA centre in Hendon the other day, having a coffee.

Bike examiner said that the only off road site they have in North London is in Enfield. Do you know of any more in London, as this is going to make things a bit awkward to say the least.

Thats a good review…but what gets my goat is that no one seems to listen to the sensible factual argument just the mamby pamby people for safer roads using stats that are out and out lies…

yes why dont we have road tests for truck drivers, for car drivers and an on going test every five years is a must…if they fail they have to be sent fro retraining and re test…it would be a good incentive…if they fail the test they are not allowed to drive until the test is repassed…

It would improve driving standards we could then introduce higher road speeds where safe, ie straight unbroken dual carriageways, motorways etc etc and people would drive to the correct expected norm,. ie pull over for faster vehicles, no hogging the lanes, we could have safe biking in this country and safer car driving…

BUT we will never erradicate the accident…so forget all the hair brained schemes to slow us down to make it safer and lets just get on with life…and have our freedom back.

No compulsory anything…its a crock of shite to think you can really train people to be 100% focused 100% of the time whilst driving…totally not possible and its this that makes people want to get rid of all the inherrently dangerous bits so that we can all drive without a care in the world and forget safety…they will have our cars driven for us soon…just you watch…and all to save us so we can die a horrible death within an over populated world.

No to compulsory armour…unless its my new suit.

Yes to retests and training for drivers…including truck drivers, who should have not just the eye and health test ever 2/5 years…they need a sanity check and a driving test too.

yes to additional training for the motorcyclist, no matter how silly, because I believe if the government drums it into the …cyclists that riding a bike is tough and we need to be trained and people may just pick up on this and keep on with their training. Riding a bike is tougher than driving a car…we need young riders to be aware of this…psycho-bable I know but its based on factual evidence…

Unlimited speeds on some roads.

sensible use of speed limits elsewhere

recognition that push bikes, cars, buses and trucks dont mix…

lorries in only the two lanes of 4 lane motorways

lorries reduced in size to less than 30 tons

more use of the railway system for the transportation of goods or ripping up of the railways and the building of bike only routes…with special vehicles to transport the masses if they really want to us the routes…

Bike lanes on motorways…easey peasey

investment into new roads. more roads and more routes.

Green belt investment allowed

Sensible development of all brown field sites.

hanging for murder

hanging for pulling out in front of a bike (joke)

Hanging for crimes against humanity, including being a 100% life long burglar, car thief and for touching someone elses bike without permission

Hanging for those who commit intentional knife, or gun crime of any sort…if you have one on you it is intentional that you will use it…my penknike doesnt count its a scouts honour tool…honest gov…

Wheely training for all bike riders and compulsory wheelies at the traffic lights if you are first in line…to maike life a bit more interesting.

“hanging for pulling out in front of a bike (joke)”

Joke? Why “Joke”? That’s the best bit!

I’m for it!at least it should be allowed to kick the drivers a$$ after recovering from injuries of course :angry:

yes agree, in this perverse world you would likely get hung for attacking someone who intentiaonally knocked you off and their crime would be ignored…the country (read government and police) is fearful of people taking the useless ass we call the law in this country…into their own hands and making it work effectively…

Okay hang anyone for pulling out in front of a bike…no joke.

i have to wear pants???

the b*stards. thats outrageous.

I think going commando should be the right of any person, motorcyclist or not…

A slight tangent maybe, but I really do believe that they should place gallows on the corners of box junctions. If anyone stops in the yellow box whilst their exit is not clear, a “mob” of angry motorists should be allowed to drag the driver out of the car or bus (usually a bus) and hang them there and then on said gallows.

With numerous ex-drivers dangling around London, I can guarantee that within 2 weeks, the traffic around London will be smooth and congestion free.

Shall I stand for Mayor on this ticket? Or give my idea to Boris?

:smiley:

Usually a bendy-bus!