Suspicious "15bhp" increase claim with a "chip"...

Hi Guys,

From another thread, you can see that I am trying to find innovative ways to give my 89bhp BMW F800S a boost to around 100bhp.

Amazon has the below available. Is this true? Can we really get that much more power by spending a mere £110!?! Seems dodgy to me hence thought I would check with you guys.

Cheers

Nando654321


Dyno-Boost Adjustable Performance by Magnum Tuning

Dyno-Boost Adjustable Fuel Controller Performance Chip BMW F800 S Technical DetailsImproves engine horsepower by 15% Improves low-end and mid-range torque Peps up acceleration Fuel economy improvement by up to 6% Smoothes out throttle response Product DescriptionDyno-BOOST is a fully adjustable, programmed performance control unit designed for all ATVs fitted with ECU, simply wires inline with the factory harness of the IAT (Intake Air Temperature) sensor and into the plug of Oxygen sensor by models fitted with it. You will receive crisp acceleration, much more horsepower and torque, lower quarter mile times and surprisingly increased throttle response. Installation is easy, no - special tools or expertise required. Gain +15-35 additional HP, and extremely dynamic acceleration by up to 30 % in contrast to factory engine performance. It works in conjunction with stock ECU and will not affect engine reliability or endurance. Original ECU program is in process, but the signal of Dyno-BOOST is overwriting it in each microsecond resulting richer air/fuel ratio, accordingly delivering peak horsepower, torque and acceleration.

Bulls…

Please refer to this thread.

To gain minimal noticeable difference you will need to change:

  • plugs
  • cables
  • air filter
  • exhaust

And then you will make it work smother rather then more powerful.

Sorry,
R

Hey

Cheers - I thought there was something iffy about such a massive gain for a mere £110, but I did look at the thread you suggested and it is all about spark plugs and not a chip change?

Nonetheless, I think I know what you mean, everyone is claiming huge increases in power but in truth, if it was that good for £110 then every bike maker would already have it in their bikes and this forum would be full of people telling all of us to get it installed!!!

Agree it must be BS!

And second part of “the story” is, you don’t want to look stupid when you spend £100+ pounds and have nothing, so most of ppl are claiming that there is God know how big difference.

Truth is there is no noticeable difference in speed or acceleration so no noticeable power gain, the smooth engine work, yes I would agree 100%, maybe even a bit better fuel consumption. I would never believe in +15% or any significant gain after change of spark plug sorry.

And I know what you are after, as I had similar or even bigger problem with previous moto, you want to be a bit, not much, quicker. And whatever you do is sh… and money down to drain, been there done that, but I never claimed there was any power increase to not make someone pay for the same mistakes.

Regards,
R

Agreed

I’m off to the Ace Cafe newbie thing later today so if you’re there, see you then!

I will be there, if noone write me off, see you :slight_smile:

R

Dude just get yourself a new bike… Your looking to shell out a load of cash to get upto 100bhp when there are plenty of 100bhp+ bikes available on the market. Look at a VFR 800.

I really do not see what your trying to achieve???

Mate use your noggin will you…

BMW put huge amounts of time, money and expertise to set up their bikes and tune their engines to give optimum performance, longevity and reliability.

To think that a ‘chip’ you can buy off the Internet is going I give you a ‘15% power increase’ is frankly, ridiculous.

Absolute rubbish.

Guys,

I’m not the one making the 15% increase claims! Its that company Magnum!

I will be looking for another bike in the future, but for now I really do need an everyday workhorse which also has, heated grips, panniers and a top box. For that, the BMW F800 that I have do it. Plus it has ABS and alarm/immobiliser which is immensely helpful for insurance purposes.

I ride in all weathers for long periods in heavy central London traffic, as well as motorways. Hence I am looking at a bike that gives me a bit of everything.

I agree with the below, a Honda VFR 800 or a Triumph Sprint ST are probably my best other choices! Lightweight with great engines on them

Hey Nando!

I wasn’t having a go at you, it was aimed at the companies that make these dumb claims!

To give you some comparison; I recently put my 2010 ZX-10 into a garage for a full exhaust system, air filter and Bazzaz FI (fueling setup but Quick Shifter and Traction Control also) on the dyno. I don’t care too much about the actual bhp output figures as they are not really comparible to other dyno runs on different dynos but I am interested in the before and after difference.

I am expecting about a 10-20 bhp increase for this work (about £1000 worth) :slight_smile:

Cheers,

Ed

Hi 1POB,

Wow, that sounds like a lot of dosh but its great to know that actually, you can make a big difference

Hence it looks like if I really wanted to I could do:

  • Exhaust

  • Specialist/high quality air filter (makes sense as this helps air to the engine)

  • Fuelling setup

I will contact BMW and see what they say in relation to doing changes

Thanks

PS Conrad; no problem, totally understand your frustration with these american companies making claims which are not true!

Hi,

When I get the bike back on Saturday I will post up the actual dyno results. I would like 180 bhp but not sure it will be that much, however as I said its not that important to know the end figure, just the differrence.

As for the F800 having a quick google shows they make in the region of 80-95 bhp (again depending where/when/what dyno). I would expect you could get quite close to a 10 bhp gain with induction/exhaust and a proper fuelling setup. One thing worth mentioning is that air filters like K&N don’t typically breath any differently from the stock air filter. They simply offer a longer lasting solution as they are washable and they often make a bit more induction noise. Infact I forgot to fit my K&N prior to the dyno and was told it would make no difference- so its being dynoed with the stock filter and then I’ll change over to the K&N. I also found this video:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sKvgDTLvPGs

Of course another advantage to change exhausts is the weight reduction. Both my ZX-10 and ZX-6 636 have very heavy stock exahusts, and replacing them saves certainly a few KG. Each KG you lose on your bike equates to about half a BHP on the F800 :slight_smile:

As always it is a law of diminishing returns. What I have spent on the ZX-10 is the basics to get the most from the bike (Little point in spending 9K on a bike then NOT getting the most from that) however any more “tuning” would be very costly and require work on the motor. Certainly not something I need as the power I have is plenty for track days. On that subject, I tend to ride in Fast group on the ZX-10 but when I had a ZX-6 in 2009 I was overtaken by a F800S when in Inters group, so any extra money is worth investing in training as that truly makes your bike fast :slight_smile:

Thanks 1POB,

Your Dyno reading will be good fun!

I actually really like the look of your bike Nando, but the slightly different GT model with the full fairing… Might have to get myself one in a couple years time when the second hand price becomes a little more affordable.

Hope you get some results with your search for more power! :slight_smile: