I know that the thread has been suspended, but just for the record I think its only fair to point out that Karen (aka hotrodchick) put the post up with the very best of intentions and actually at my suggestion because we both thought it had some valid information and Karen wanted to share it with as many other females as possible. While some of the points may refer to more obviously to the Americans, eg pepper spray, which may be illegal here (tho personally if a womans being attacked she has every right to use anything available to her in my opinion) a lot of what was said is potentially valuable information (God forbid anyone should need it).
And just as an afterthought re one of El Krautos comments
“And point 14 is just wrong. The chins are far better targets for kicks, as you don’t need to get as close and it is less expected. Besides, when you have him stunned, running away is the best option, whilst staying and fighting is the worst.”
As a Ju Jitsu instructor I have to say that very few ‘trained’ people are good enough to execute an effective kick to the chin, let alone an untrained person. There are many other ‘unexpected’ targets available and if any of the LB females want to know more then please feel free to PM me as Id rather not post the info.
I’m in agreement. There are some helpful tips there and if any of us ladies or men ever find ourselves in such an awful position and something read there springs to mind, it could save a life.
I also think it has been dealt with correclty by LB staff. I don’t know what 2strokes posted but people obviously complained and action has been taken straight away.
yes looks like it was me…not 100% sure why as I was being genuine and comments about me supporting rapists were bang out of order, but each to their own views…debate is the route to solving many problems and I was just trying to open up a debate on the topic…obviously it just opened up a can of worms…but I made my apology for unintentionally offending people and thats that…
What you were trying to open up debate about was creepy, wierd and downright disgusting, nothing to do with the original post or the useful advice that was given by others.
Well you beat me to it. I’m no instructor, but I know of quite a few ways someone lighter/smaller/not as strong as their attacker can even up the balance.
I was about to post up some of these methods, but in hindsight (snowed under at work, so didn’t do it first thing this morning) it’s probably best not to put them up here.
What I will say is that if you are attacked, just remember that you are defending yourself. Have no compunction about inflicting as much damage or pain as is necessary to maintain your own safety!
Hey Jonny, maybe we (not necessarily me) should put a street-wise self defence document together (just for our own amusement of course {before I get flamed}). Sort of: slap hard on the ears with cupped hands (bursting ear drums), stamping on the bridges of feet with heels sort of things?
Everyone should have the knowlegde of how to defend themselves in these situations. Maybe lb and others members should get together and run a workshop for anyone who wants to learn more … :discuss:
I don’t know what the other thread said… but whilst I can see what people are saying in this one (ie learning to protect yourself is a good thing) I have one rather large concern.
Unfortunately people learning a small amount of self defence can be dangerous, depending on their attitude… (ie realising the limitations of what they have learned). Unless something is a completely natural and instinctive response (ie you don’t need thinking time) it is unlikely to be helpful and could give a false sense of security.
I’ve trained with people who know exactly what they should be doing but as soon as you throw something unexpected in (or you really do scare them - by accident usually… you gotta love the noobs) it rattles them and they forget what to do. It takes a long time for a reaction to become so ingrained in your subconcious that you can do it to save yourself without thinking about what you are doing.
What you were trying to open up debate about was creepy, wierd and downright disgusting, nothing to do with the original post or the useful advice that was given by others.
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Sorry slarty will never agree that debate is what you describe, the topic is tough and in order to understand all elements of it need to be understood, the rapist told us how not to be a victim, but when they are succesful what happens and why…what did the victim do or not do that could have oprevented it from happening, and to be honest not sure I WOULD TRUST WHAT THE RAPISTS HAVE SAID ANYWAY…but STILL DEBATE IS NOT GOING TO HAPPEN BUT CLEARLY SOME WANT TO SHOOT THE MESSENGER SO GO AHEAD…I apologized and most people have accepted that…there was no intention to be creepy, wierd or downright disgusting…the rape is that, not the debate.
Let’s not turn this into a witch hunt…Twostrokes, you should have known this kind of topic would be sensitive to people so I’m sure you did not entirely think you’d go without taking some flack.
However, since the guy has apologised for offending some people, I think people shouldn’t harp on.
Debate is good, but you have be careful to explain the motives why you are opening it and not be seen to have a hidden agenda.
Afro, if you had the chance to read what was written in the previous thread you’d not be agreeing that debate is good, there is nothing, absolutely nothing good that can come from what was said, no matter how it gets twisted here. I’m not going to repeat what was said because it’s sick. The mods did what they felt was necessary and obviously deleted it and I for one think they made the right decision. Had TwoStrokeLivesOn not come back and said again that he thinks debate on that particular topic is good then nobody, including myself, would have said anymore about it.
I did read it mate…I do believe debate is good, but twostrokes said himself that he wrote what he did in a tongue in cheek style (wish he had informed people) so I wouldn’t classify what he wrote as genuinely trying to open a debate.The subject is not one where humour should be used IMO so if a genuine debate is to opened, then it should be done so with maturity, sensitivity and intentions made clear.
sorry i dont think self defence is the answer as
as i dont know if you remember the woman that was attacked the the waitrose car park in hollaway rd a couple of years ago,well that was my misses aunt she was loading a car with shopping in broad daylight when was whacked from behind to steal her car,they drove a round the car park she got up to stop them,they dragged her around the car park on the front of the car before she fell off and was very badly hurt.
she is sort of ok now apart from not ever going shopping and not wanting to drive again(gave her merc estate away)(not the one that was stolen)
sam herself was attacked on the tube a few years back because she was in a carriage on here own,
what im trying to say awareness is the answer,dont get people that oppitunity to get at you as both sam and her aunt didn’t know what was happing till it was to late .
as most attacks are done from behind,as i know as i was stabbed in the back when i lived in tottenham just for being differant (a punk)
making women and some bloke more aware of the space and they route they take home,helps alot more.
getting black cabs cuts the risk down,it cost more but 99% of the time you get there.
being in a group and not staying for that last drink after the others have gone.
self defence helps if you are face to face as a kick in the nut and then running will always work.
hey boys I sort of agree with you both, it was a bit inept, not well written, even if my intentions were genuine…and I did not re-open it johnny zero did…and you Slarty had a go, yet again, at me so I replied. Some people obviously dont know what debate is all about…its not about personal feelings its about finding the truth…thats why I asked the questions…as difficult as they are.but I say again it was not my intention to incite violence verbal or otherwise but genuine debate, we are all adults :unsure: …so sorry again for trying to talk about a difficult topic that is obviously too traumatic for some…this isnt the right place I guess…
So thanks for the kicking and the personal attacks I have already begged forgiveness. Thinks thats enough…
