Power commander set up

Do you need to do this at a Dynojet place or can any dyno center do?

also anyone you recommend?

ps already contacted PDQ

Steve Jordan

thanks dude! thats like 5min away from me :wink:

You should have the standard mapping for your
bike (standard model) loaded to start with.

That will give you most of the possible benefits straight
away, unless your bike is too non standard.

I then fitted an Akrapovic can and downloaded the
mapping for my bike + Akra from the powercommander
web site.

I used a USB cable and a laptop to install it on the bike.

That probably gave me at least 95% of the possible benefits
and I never got around to getting it done any better by a pro.
I had a few discussions with the mechanic, Simon, at George
White’s (before it went in to admin) he took it for several test
rides and was of the opinion that it would be very unlikely
there would be any noticeable improvement with further
set up using a rolling road, so I saved my money.

interesting Mike thanks

Nick @ PDQ does a great job.

Haven’t used Steve Jordan, so can’t comment there.

Had my bike at Ralphs when he did free Dyno runs, I ended up paying for a proper map. I saw th graphs and there was quite a big difference between the standard map from powercommander and Ralphs custom made. Yeah I had the can and filter but still… every bike is different. You should know that even if you take 10 bikes from the same manufacturer and run them on a Dyno you will get different results. Could all be how they were run in, how well they were looked after or simply difference in how it was built. I have seen difference on cars same car model same engine but one car was going faster than the other… no idea how or why. One car was first model that came out from the manufacturer so first batches and the other car was about 1 year later.

I agree, every bike, even if they are the same
model with the same extras, will be different.

You say there was a big difference in the graphs,
what are sort of difference, e.g. 10 bhp at 10k rpm ?

On my FZ1 that would under 10% difference.

As I said… very unlikely there would be any noticeable
improvement.

I meant on the road.

You may well notice a 10% power difference if you are
a regular track day rider, and you really should notice
a 10% difference if you are actually racing.

It all depends how much you want to spend setting it
up, I’m quite happy with the two maps I use, one for
my bike with Akra slip-on with baffle the other for
without the baffle, strictly not for road use :smiley:

It takes me 5 mins to swap the maps.

Taken from an old post for the GSXR 600.

OK maybe not a huge difference but I could feel it, bike seemed more responsive specially at lower speeds hence lower RPM where I will mostly be… between 3k to 10k. At max rpm the difference isn’t huge and I doubt I would get to over 13k anyhow.

people keep failing to understand that a power commander IS NOT about power! its about fuelling refinement. removing all the bits the manufactures have to do because of sound testing, emission testing etc. from the factory (any factory) the fuelling map is a ‘fits all’ compromise. it is never optimal or perfect. the best gains for a power commander are in small/partial throttle openings.

on a full throttle run in 6th gear you will probably notice No difference at all but in say 2nd gear, at 20% throttle, at 5krpm you may get a gain of X (i have personally seen an )* R6 gain almost 9bhp in this particular range) also the ‘feel’ of your bike when using small throttle openings, or that first small adjustment from fully closed to just opening when set up by someone who knows what they are doing can make the bike much more pleasant to ride, much more responsive and more predictable.

the down loaded maps are again, a ‘fit anything’ broad map. some are pretty close, some are not. it will just be set safely so as not to damage your bike, to give you something as a starting point to then improve on.

Sorry but sbk done a rushed job on my sv and I’ll never return

Steve Jordan done the gsxr and it felt real good!

@ matt
Indeed that’s what I was saying, you can see that clrealy from my graph, look at the 3k to 10k range. red is what it was before on standard PC downloaded map and the Blue is what Ralph got it tweaked to. I saw huge difference in throttle control at low speeds.

@ shiver
I had the same issue, he did 107BHP but the bike had bad throttle response so I went back and told him get on the bike and ride it. He did and then re-done my map. He was there for about 1 hour working on it to get it right so it wasn’t a 5 minute job. Paying customer… WTF did you do going home on the bike if you felt something wrong?? Should have went back and asked him to do it properly. If after you told them something was bad they didn’t bother then by all means don’t return. On anotehr not it depends when you went to Ralph. I think over the past 2 years he’s become more distant and focusing more on his racing and other stuff… could be wrong but that’s my impression. However they do have a good mechanic that will tell you how it is to your face.

I went to Essential Rubber as I needed MOT and Tires which they do and I know they are good with work also and they won’t cut corners and let you ride home on a dodgy bike.

Good point, I only mentioned power as we were discussing graphs
which invariably show power / revs.

Yup that was the main difference (after fitting the Power
Commander) with the FZ1, it was like a different bike, totally
cured the notoriously poor low revs responsiveness, making
it really easy to ride, and it eradicated the 3-4k flat spot.

Both those low revs fuelling issues probably being due to
the standard Yam mapping being set up to comply with
the Euro emissions and noise rules.
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MikeDaBike, any idea if Simon for GW went anywhere else locally. He was always reliable when he did work for me and was someone I planned to use long term - that is until Goerge White cocked it all up by overexpanding.

PB

If you look at my AFR which is the 2nd graph… that’s where the massive difference can be seen not on the power graph.

Air–fuel ratio (AFR) is the mass ratio of air to fuel present in an internal combustion engine.

Fuelling commander is a crap name though :smiley:

i have looked at your graph, and between 5500 and 8500 its ****.

the dip in richness on the graph equates exactly to the dip in the power curve at the same revs.