Anyone seen the news? 24k for a police officer? FGS labour, give em a pay rise, they probably do the hardest job known to man, with nasty shifts and difficult work in particular after Osma’s thrown his tuppence in.
What do polititions get paid? Too much. Pay the police a fair wage for the hours and dedication they put in.
Bah to that woman! Skinflint.
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The Police do a good job and should have there pay rise.
I agree. Give’m more dow.
Hear hear(but then I am biased)
as I understand it, the dispute is not so much over money as integrity (something this goverment has never been big on!) the agreement was that it would be backdated and the goverment reneged (please correct if wrong) all this BS about inflation is just smoke and mirrors trying to put the police in the wrong.I listene to a minister on the radio today ,basically saying that the police wouldn’t take it any further so it was OK to walk on them (my interpretation) in short , if you make a deal …stick with it!
You’re right,its not so much about the actual amount that the back pay would be,its about the principle,every Home Sec has honoured the agreement from the arbitration panel,Jacqui Smith is the first not to.We have very limited options in industrial relations and she appears to be taking advantage of it.Not as if they have’nt wasted money on many other things.I think they are just showing their true colours of what they really think of the Police!!! They have tried to come across as our friends,this shows otherwise.I certainly think we need the same rights as other working people.Lets see if they back down.
I understand that it would be rediculous to allow the police to perform strike action - imagine the consequences of a publicised national strike by the police! So they cannot have the same ‘rights’ as the rest of the living world.
But thats no excuse nor reason to ride rough shod over the force. Pay them what they deserve, and while youre at it raise the pay for firemen and nurses and stop wasting money on red tape, beurocracy and polititions who have no grasp of the real world
(ie: worldwide morphine shortage - problem with poppy growing in afganistan - we burn the fields. HELLLOOOO! has no-one thought that maybe we should set up an arrangement with the afgan government to buy the poppies? We get morphine, afgan farmers get cash and the drug barons are cut out in one fell swoop. solves the morphine shortage, sorts out afgansitan and helps to squish the heroin problem across the world).
20k+ plus for plod 15k for squaddies getting shot at ?? fair i think not, how about a fair wage for all and not just plods ? :crazy:
well, as angry as I am about this situation, I don’t support the call for the right to take industrial action because I joined to deliver a service. This is more of a vocation than a job. As others have said, it is the public who will suffer, not the government. We can’t compare ourselves to others. If Hienz workers go on strike, the companies profits are hit and the public buy HP baked beans instead. We go on strike and its potentially anarchy and riot time, or an emergency state is declared, with what few troops left in the UK deployed to the streets.
As far as I can tell, and correct me if I am wrong, the question is academic anyway. Somehow, I can’t see GB agreeing to a change in legislation to let us strike, just after we have told him what we think of his pay offer. A challenge in the European Courts may be an option (I knew they were useful for something!). Talk of a “work to rule” would surely be addressed through the “lawful order” process. If a boss tells you that you are working, then you work, normal hours or rest day or staying on on overtime, surely? Is it not a lawful order for a boss to tell someone with a current, valid qualification, that they have to carry out that duty, i.e. carry firearm, drive police vehicle etc.? And how many students/probationers would support any action?..I couldn’t see them being police officers for very long if they did!
For me, the best option is a a sustained campaign through the media by the fed, highlighting how much this government has made a mess of policing, showing how it impacts people locally and highlighting what we really do and have to put up with, so that the public can sleep safer. Get the voting public on the side of the average bobby, and GB will be our best mate…but that’s a big task.
Backdate the payrise - this whole thing has been handled so badly. This Home Secretary is rubbish - sack 'em.
The government is treading a dangerous line here - it’s not like dealing with other public service workers and the Police Federation has enough nouce not to lose public support.
Raise the back pay by public subscription (50p a head?), and vote out that thieving bar-steward GB who has denied most of you ('cos you’re youngsters in the main) a decent work-related final salary pension.
Sorry for this but just got to have a rant…
in my humble opinion this government is the worst government we have ever had. They are and always have been power crazy megalomaniacs and communists in disguise. They tell you to do what I say not what I am or do…they have no regard for the sanctity of life, people and or our history.
They are so focused on image and doing it their way that they are slowly alienating everyone in the market…this is good news because anyone who votes for them again must be either blind or daft…the police wont vote for them again, any road user wont, any forces type wont, minorities in their own rights (except maybe road users) but as a whole they will be able to remove this idiotic world antagonistic, dangerous government once and for all…
The police for sure need support not our angst…they have a most awful job at times (although I defy anoyone to tell me that they would not love to go hurtling down the road in a car with blues and twos going), everyone seems to be in confrontation with them… I believe that is because they, the Government and to be honest the senior police officers too, have decided to make too many irrelevant rules and laws that have put the police full on head to head with the majority of the UK population. things like Speeding, a major criminal offence…jail for mothers who dont send their kids to school, 25 pound fine for riding your bike on the pavement, etc etc and for real criminals, oh they are abused children lets give them a couple of weeks holiday in majorca and see if that cures them…
Total nuts…we have the balance all wrong…support the police, help them to help us, which is what they are there for , not to be our enemies…and get rid of the speed cameras, sort out the magistrates courts, stop wasting money on trying to put into jail people who are no menace to society and focus on trying to help and stop those that perpetrate the evil crimes of today, like the traveller population which seem to have free reign in this country, like the burglars who do as they want, like those who resort to violence as a means to solve problems…those who commit the most heinous of crimes like murder…intentional not by accident…the list of stupid laws is endless.
i got an 80 pound fine for not 'sorn’ing one of my tax free historic trucks…explain that to me…I got the same fine for forgetting to tell them that one of my bikes was off the road just 1 month and 3 weeks after its tax ran out…it was off the road but a fine of 80 pounds for not telling the DVLA…they already know that becasue the tax has run out…total nuts…
This government has to go and common sense has to be returned to this country…
and last rant sorry…lordy! off to health and safety and saving lives…if you follow all of those to conclusion we will have no cars, no bikes, powered by man or engines, no planes boats or anything that moves, horses will have to go, crikey one killed superman they must be dangerous, suprised they ahve not banned them already…no pencils, too sharp, no pens, could cause blood poisoning, no seats as they cause back ache, no computers as they cause eye strain and RSS…the list is endless…bring back common sense…
okay rant nearly over…the armed forces and the police and nurses but not doctors, for sure need more money…we need to get rid of 75% of the civil servants to pay for the increases in wages to the needy…
okay done…
twostroke best you go and have a lie down now chap, you must be worn out after all that 
And while they are at it, how about giving a decent pay rise to Ambulance staff? 22K for taking most of the crap that the Police have to take and then some 
All above are good thoughts, and I agree, how can the government install trust and respect of the police force to the younger (and more disrespectful) generation when the government themselves cannot give the police respect when it comes to the monetary reward for a very difficult job?
I would never strike as it goes against what I am aiming to be.
“blue - flu” is a term being thrown about and December 31st (one of the biggest policing operations of the year) is also being thrown about.
Another idea being flown about is to deny MP’s police protection, but I have an issue with siding with thugs and terrorists.
If you read the leaked letter carefully Jaqui Smith plan is to make the federation look bad not just this year, but also next year so the government will have a better corner to decide our payrise.
The federation does not have the power or the skills to tackle a well funded political party. This is one we are going to lose but due to the grief the government are causing, I doubt they will be in power to **** off any more people.
btw, not once has MP pay gone to arbitration… they seem very happy with the first offer everytime.
but note… if police did strike, or even picket… who’d stop us? Well trained in public order and law? Who’d dare?
It is not just about the Police but all public sector workers. The Government has done the same trick with a number of groups. Prison Officers went on illegal strike earlier this year over the same issue. The really stupid thing was to give the full increase to Scottish Police but not to anyone else. Further proof that English taxes subsidise overspending in the Labour heartlands of Scotland
The Government however does need to tackle public sector pay. It has been rising faster than private sector pay for a number of years and at many levels public sector employees earn more than their private sector counterparts. On top of which most get a index linked final salary pensions with retirement at 60. (Police retire after 30 years service so many go at aged 48!). Only 17% of private sector employees now get a final salary pension.
It is the right issue to tackle but an incompetent way to tackle it.
Since April 2006 - its 35 years service to draw your pensionl…
The government are dealing with pay… and there is no comparison to a private sector ‘police officer’
I think they should go on strike, elost will get off his conviction, and there will be no tickets to hand out, we could plan a ride out everyday,
i hear what officers are saying but think they should strike it will wake the goverment up bigtime.
its not the first time a government has done this.They did it to nurses a longtime ago.Ignored pay award body and gave lower payrises.Didnt backdate full rise.Took almost a year to agree rise then stage it so riuse was actually lower then agreed.Personally i think the best way to take them on would be the descrimination angle.Scottish officers doing the same job for same ultimate employer are getting it back dated.A clear case of discrimination.Euorpean courts is one avenue.But use there own courts and rules against them.Dont rely just on public support becaue it is always unsustainable.
Nowt wrong with using lack of resources to lower there privalaged protection occassionally.Let the home secretary get hassled and jostled a few times by accident.load there desks high with difficult decisions and political hot potatoes.let the press know about dodgy decisions they are making on the quiet.That might make them think again.
