Overheating VFR750. what have I missed?

Bike runs hot at slow speeds, stays cool above 60mph. by hot I mean the frame is almost too hot to touch.
temp gauge comes up to half way and the fan comes on as it should.
rad is hot all over but hotter on 1 side than the other.
rad cap isn’t stuck.
water pump spinning ok.

Flushed coolant twice.
replaced thermostat that was stuck open.
replaced fan switch in back of rad.
flushed rad and cleared bent fins.
changed oil radiator and oil.

Anyone got any other ideas what could be causing this? it’s slowly toasting my battery.
my only theory is there’s a pipe or passage blockage somewhere.

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+1 sounds like it needs to burp . Raise the front up a bit on a block or something , run it with the cap off and pumpy squeeeze like a hookers tits any rubber pipes you can get yer hands on … see if you get any bubbles out .

Looks like air in VFR coolant systems is a known issue. Burp as above.

thanks guys, will try that this weekend

fairings are all off and tank almost drained ready for this.

oh, update.
done all that and no change. taken the pipes all off, poked an endoscope down every pipe to check for blockages.
took all the link pipes and hoses off the block. http://i.imgur.com/tY0MW8L.jpg
Got a low pressure hose to it, water flows from point A to 1 and 3, and point B to 2 and 4 (and vica verca).
taken the water pump off and it seems fine.

I’m almost at the point of giving it to the local honda garage to look at.

Mister Scorch, do you fancy taking this problem off my hands?

I’d certainly be prepared to have a look at it Mister Groovy :slight_smile:

PM coming your way.

Problem appears to be solved :slight_smile:

problem still occurring. took it to France and after a morning on B roads it didn’t have enough charge to turn the starter over when I’d stopped.
Luckily I’d thought ahead and taken a spare battery with me!

Someone suggested it might be a fault with the alternator, I took the cover off today and it looks alright to me?
https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-o6cWiKjB5Gc/VB2Q5wzUvfI/AAAAAAAANJQ/Gjg0MskNipo/w1313-h985-no/20140920_153414.jpg
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You need to do a continuity test between the coils and the mount. You need to a resistance test through all three phases, preferably while the bike is still (very) hot. Looks slightly toasted at the top to me.

Hey me_groovy, I hardly ever look on here since I moved from London, but happened to be today and saw your post. I had exactly the same problem on my CB500 recently. It took me quite a while and lots of frustration to solve. Try these things:

– Replace the radiator pressure cap
– Replace the hose from the pressure cap to the overflow reservoir
– Check the overflow reservoir for cracks

If either of the last two are/is the culprit, then as the bike cools, instead of the vacuum that forms in the cooling system sucking coolant back from the reservoir as it should, it will suck air in instead.

Also, if you have carbs (don’t know when VFRs went to fuel injection), disconnect the hoses from the carb heaters and blow through the heater unions and the hoses. On my bike one of the carb heaters was blocked which meant I wasn’t getting all the air out of the system.

I think my overheating (which was literally exactly how you describe yours) was caused by a number of factors which added up to create the overheating situation.

You’ll get there in the end and hopefully the upshot, as it was for me, is you’ll learn more about how the cooling system works and functions. Hope you sort it!

Yes, only a complete imbecile would travel without a spare battery.

:smiley: +10

took the stator off today and found a couple of bare wires on the reverse side of it where the wires come out of the coils. not sure i this would be causing my problem or even if this is bad enough to cause a fault. they don’t seem to be shorting against anything.
https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/EVN1wqtyrZckpgc2OoWijJz_2nZM6uwx-npiAxc3RQc=w404-h538-no

Did you do any continuity checks while it was fitted to the bike?

But, to answer your actual question, a bare wire isn’t, in itself, problematic so long as it doesn’t short to ground (the engine case) or another coil. I don’t know how conductive engine oil is, so it might be worth sticking a blob of oil-resistant (which seems to also be bathroom-type) silicon on there just to be sure but I’ve never known anyone bother. Presumably it’s non-conductive.

Are you looking for a problem you know is there (“One coil shorts to ground and I want to find out where”) or using your normal speculative process (“something went wrong so I’ve removed a component at near-random and I’m hoping to blame it”)? You can measure for a coil shorting to ground quite easily, but only when the whole lot is assembled.

But, in case you’ve forgotten, I’ll explain the measurements to take. Ressemble the engine and then start by drawing a diagram:

But, instead of “3-4” at the bottom of the table on the left write “3-1” :slight_smile:

That rectangle near the top is a representation of the plug on the end of the lead that goes from the stator to the rectifier (the engine end of the connector, not the rectifier end). We’ve numbered the coils fairly arbitrarily so that we’ll know where any problem we find is.

Firstly, fill in the “Cool Rgnd” figure for each pin, that is the resistance between that pin and the battery negative terminal.

Next start the engine and, before it warms up, fill in the ‘cool’ half of the Vac bit of the table at the bottom. These measurements are the AC voltage between each pair of the pins in the connector and you’d expect something around 20-50V in my limited experience, but start with the multimeter set high and come down until it gets accurate. You want one measurement at idle and another at whatever speed the manual suggests to use when you measure the voltage across the battery terminals to check that the battery is charging.

Wait for the engine to warm up, and then take all the same measurements again and fill in the ‘warm’ half of the table. Also, measure the resistance between each contact pair here and fill in the column to the far right.

Stop the engine and, while it is warm, fill in all the “Warm Rgnd” numbers by repeating the measurements you started with.

You should have 21 numbers.

Now:

  • Measure the resistance between the battery negative terminal and a bit of unpainted engine case (the threads on one of the spark plug holes is a good place to try)
  • for a three-contact reg/rec measure the resistance between the lead that plugs into each of the two grounds and the battery terminal. For a two-contact one measure the resistance between the single ground and the battery terminal
  • Follow the haynes manual test for the rectifier.

Good write up mate :slight_smile:

blimey! amazing.
I’ll print that off and give it a go