New drink drive limit in Scotland.

[Serrisan]

Art (05/12/2014)

It means that a driver could leave England under the legal alcohol limit but find they are breaking the law once they pass over the border into Scotland.

Just how ridiculous is that.

If a Scottish Court bans someone for driving because they were found to have >50 mg but <80 mg of alcohol per 100 ml of blood do we assume that the ban only applies on Scottish roads :ermm:

Hold on, that is quite common, across multiple things. Different country, different laws…

You could have weed in your car, leaving Amsterdam, then be arrested in Germany…

[KTM_D]

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monkimark (05/12/2014)

KTM D (05/12/2014)

Big Red S (05/12/2014)

It’s not confusing in the slightest, really.

It takes roughly 1 hour for the average human to process the equivalent of 1 unit of alcohol, so if you go out one night and drink 6 pints of 4% lager, you will have consumed about 12 units of alcohol, therefore if you stop drinking at 11 you cannot expect the booze to have been processed through your system till 11AM the following day

Unless you start of drinking very slowly and then down pretty much all of your drinks at the end of the night, the time should start from when you start drinking 9or about an hour after to allow your body to start processing it) - perhaps it is a little confusing after all

fair enough, still very easy to work out though. I tend to base it on that premise purely because of the fact that what you mention is of course the case, which for me acts like a bit of a buffer, a safety factor if you like.

you could feasibly deduct 3 units from your 11pm total if you started drinking at 8 though, which might mean you are nearly sober by morning, but all those other factors like food, metabolism, efficacy of your liver, etc etc, seem to make that a bit dicey for me.

[Serrisan]

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KTM D (05/12/2014)

monkimark (05/12/2014)

KTM D (05/12/2014)

Big Red S (05/12/2014)

It’s not confusing in the slightest, really.

It takes roughly 1 hour for the average human to process the equivalent of 1 unit of alcohol, so if you go out one night and drink 6 pints of 4% lager, you will have consumed about 12 units of alcohol, therefore if you stop drinking at 11 you cannot expect the booze to have been processed through your system till 11AM the following day

Unless you start of drinking very slowly and then down pretty much all of your drinks at the end of the night, the time should start from when you start drinking 9or about an hour after to allow your body to start processing it) - perhaps it is a little confusing after all

fair enough, still very easy to work out though. I tend to base it on that premise purely because of the fact that what you mention is of course the case, which for me acts like a bit of a buffer, a safety factor if you like.

you could feasibly deduct 3 units from your 11pm total if you started drinking at 8 though, which might mean you are nearly sober by morning, but all those other factors like food, metabolism, efficacy of your liver, etc etc, seem to make that a bit dicey for me.

You try doing all of those calculations after 6 pints, two jaegerbombs, a few lines of coke and sex with three prostitutes…

[Marmablade]

^ just a quite Sunday afternoon then???

[Serrisan]

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GSXR750_Sam (05/12/2014)

^ just a quite Sunday afternoon then???[/quote

Nah that’s just my wednesday lunchtime break from work

[Art]

Serrisan (05/12/2014)

Art (05/12/2014)

It means that a driver could leave England under the legal alcohol limit but find they are breaking the law once they pass over the border into Scotland.

Just how ridiculous is that.

If a Scottish Court bans someone for driving because they were found to have >50 mg but <80 mg of alcohol per 100 ml of blood do we assume that the ban only applies on Scottish roads :ermm:

Hold on, that is quite common, across multiple things. Different country, different laws…

You could have weed in your car, leaving Amsterdam, then be arrested in Germany…

Holland and Germany are two different countries where you need a passport to travel between the two. Scotland whether they like it or not, remains as part of the UK

[Markie76]

Art (05/12/2014)

If a Scottish Court bans someone for driving because they were found to have >50 mg but <80 mg of alcohol per 100 ml of blood do we assume that the ban only applies on Scottish roads :ermm:

YES, same if you were stopped in France for having 70mg of alcohol per 100ml of blood you break the French 50mg limit, get fined, license gets confiscated –> sent back to DVLA who send it back to you as you haven’t broken the UK 80mg limit – but go back to France and the Police Nationale have got your number :unsure:

[Giuliano]

Art, Germany and Netherlands are Shengen countries so you can travel freely between them without a passport. Crossing the border is exactly like crossing the Scottish border, there is a sign saying the name of the country you are just entering.

[Art]

Maybe I shouldn’t post after 80 mg of alcohol per 100 litres blood

Germany issues German Driving Licences and German Courts make the Laws relating to them
Holland issues Dutch Driving Licences and Dutch Courts make the Laws relating to them
France issues French Driving Licences and French Courts make the Laws relating to them

Who issues Scottish driving licences :ermm:

[Marmablade]

McDonald’s

[Art]

No need to be flippant Sam, this is a serious topic

Besides, its common knowledge they’re issued under a Private Financial Initiative partneship with Legoland

[Markie76]

Art (06/12/2014)

Maybe I shouldn’t post after 80 mg of alcohol per 100 litres blood

Germany issues German Driving Licences and German Courts make the Laws relating to them
Holland issues Dutch Driving Licences and Dutch Courts make the Laws relating to them
France issues French Driving Licences and French Courts make the Laws relating to them

Who issues Scottish driving licences :ermm:

I doubt 80 mg of alcohol in 100 litres of blood would even be measurable… let alone have any effect!

I think you have a good point, the DVLA must seriously highlight the different drink drive limit when it issues a Scottish residents driving licence.

Now we wait for the first test case of someone driving into Scotland and getting pulled over with 79mg of alcohol in their blood… :unsure:

[Big_Red_S]

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Markie76 (06/12/2014)

Art (06/12/2014)

I think you have a good point, the DVLA must seriously highlight the different drink drive limit when it issues a Scottish residents driving licence.

The problem Art is highlighting is of English & Welsh residents going in to Scotland without noticing a change in alcohol limit; telling Scottish people that it’s higher across the border wont solve that problem.

[Markie76]

Big Red S (06/12/2014)

The problem Art is highlighting is of English & Welsh residents going in to Scotland without noticing a change in alcohol limit; telling Scottish people that it’s higher across the border wont solve that problem.

What if it triggers Scottish migration to England…

[Art]

:w00t: Can we build another wall :ermm:

[monkimark]

They should just lower the limit in the rest of the UK, confusion resolved.

[NumNum]

We make allowances for people not being 100%. We let them drive a bit tired or a bit ill or young or old or medicated or angry or upset or just generally **** at driving. We set a limit on the level of blood alcohol we will tolerate as a compromise between safety and convenience, as we do with all those other factors. Safest option , stay indoors ,work from home, live off deliverd food .

[Jetstream]

TBH, alcohol should be banned on LB before posting.

That would wipe out half the crap posted here.

Julie and I have felt this for years, a sensible outlook on drunken posts would move LB into another place.

Several years ago we considered posting a piece about 20th century Irish poets but realised it would not be taken seriously.

[Markie76]

I’m not sure if your last post is serious or not but here goes anyway;

What you said applies to every forum/chatroom/pub and all other scenarios involving a group/gathering of people as everyone is smarter than the last person, has an opinion which is gospel, always has something more to add or just has to have the last word or type.

If you have something meaningful, heartfelt to say or just want to express a feeling - go ahead and do it - people who ‘have to say something’ will respond on their level, be it silly or demeaning.
People who appreciate your comment and/or share your opinion will respond accordingly and it’s when someone you weren’t expecting to, does, and adds a new perspective to the subject matter, you (well I do) get that that warm/happy feeling inside…

So, now for that zero drink forum post limit - we’re gonna need some geeks from China to design and build us a USB breathaliser… JS, this time next year we’ll be millionaires… :Wow:

[Jaime]

Poll…

Who’s more pissed…
a: Jetstream
b: Markie