Need 'legal' advice!!!!

F ook me, hang him…Us lot wouldent even break the speed limit and always wear a hi viz vest :smiley:

Yep I know there’s a time and a place etc,… it’s all part of biking…it’s just like getting your knee down on public roads :Whistling:

Unlucky getting court and Good luck with it mate :wink:

I find industrial estate’s and dual carrigeways late at night on the weekends pretty good, most of the local officer’s are in the town centre’s looking after the drunks and no traffic about :wink:

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Fair enough Johhnbravo - one thing though - it’s not my age that affects my attitude to risk, rather its my attitude to risk that has ensured I get to age 53 still able to ride a bike!

And some of us have got a bit further! But I rather regret never having yet ridden a machine capable of involuntary wheelies. Restraint can be an excitement in itself. No, no not that sort of restraint!

Jim anytime you want to have a go on me bl*de mate, your more than welcome :wink: :smiley:

Thanks to ALL of you for your replies.

Before I say anything else, I will say that I know wheelies on the road, when there are other vehicles around is putting myself at risk, as is riding with cold fingers. As a result I am more than happy to take my punishment - whatever it may be… (although, as I said, minimising fines and points would be good).

Risk is a very subjective matter, relevant to an individual and influenced by their training, experience and lots of other factors. Each of us assesses risks differently and personally I’m inclined not to judge anyone for it… although I personally find overtaking on blind bends and filtering at 50 between stationary traffic cringe worthy… but thats my fear and assessment of the risks involved kicking in.

I have done wheelies before, both unintentionally (I kicked the front wheel up whilst learning on an RXS100 with a learners hamfisted clutch control) and I’ve done them intentionally… To date I estimate I’ve performed around 10,000 in the 13 years that I’ve been riding… I’ve never fallen off doing one, never had an accident whilst doing doing one, never been prosecuted for doing one. I’ve done them by myself, two up, in the dry, in the wet, so I know how the bike reacts, could react, how quickly I can get it down, how far I can keep it up, so my assessment of the risk (dependant on when, where, how, weather, traffic, road surface, etc… ) can be very low.

On this occassion, my fingers were cold, it is a new bike and I did accelerate hard (in 1st gear)… was it an intentional act of hooliganism? No. I know the difference. Was it careless riding? Maybe, but then I controlled the reaction the bike had to my inputs (no matter how poor they may have been to start with) and overtook the lorry with no impact to any other road user.

Put it this way… if a hot hatch driver had performed hundreds of wheelspins and doughnuts intentionally over the course of several years, then one day pulling out of a junction the wheels spin on cold tarmac or a little gravel, but he controls the car and avoids spinning it or crossing into the oncoming lane etc… at what point does it become careless driving? Is the initial input he had careless driving (which may have taken all of a second) or is controlling the unexpected (which may take 2 seconds)?

Its an interesting debate, which hopefully I have now added more fuel to! But, just to be clear, I know wheelies are ‘wrong’ and I will be accepting whatever TVP decide to throw at me.

Well said Mech

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Chelsea Fan, you wanna borrow my ladder? That 600cc horse is looking mighty tall!