London Bridge bus lane

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The experiment was not terminated so you can use all red routes until TFL say otherwise.

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The original experiment with motorcycles in MOST of TfL’s bus lanes ran from January 5th, 2009 and ended on July 10th, 2010.

A second trial with motorcycles in MOST of TfL’s bus lanes ran from July 24th, 2010 and was due to end on January 23rd, 2012.

Experimental traffic orders can only last for up to eighteen months, so no trial can run indefinitely.

In December 2011 it was announced the policy was become permanent for MOST of TfL’s bus lanes from January 23rd, 2012, following the end of the trial.

At no point did it ever cover all of TfL’s bus lanes.  Nothing claimed this.  The current web page for it says very clearly, as its first line, in a highlighted box, that “Motorcycles are allowed into bus lanes on most of the Capital’s red routes.”  Only MOST of them.

https://tfl.gov.uk/modes/driving/red-routes/rules-of-red-routes/bus-lanes/motorcycles-in-bus-lanes

That a road is a red route does not mean, and never did during either trial, that you are automatically allowed in a bus lane.  And as far as the law is concerned all that matters is it is properly signed.

So anyone can do whatever they want, but if the blue sign does not say you are allowed in one then you enter it at your own risk.

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So anyone can do whatever they want, but if the blue sign does not say you are allowed in one then you enter it at your own risk.
Michael
Anyone fancy printing off some white motorcycle shaped stickers to put onto blue signs? 
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Now there’s a simple solution.

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For some unknown reason, motorcycles can use the bus lane northbound on Westminster Bridge, but not the bus lane southbound. WTF?

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If the motorcylcle is switched off … can you push it along a restricted bus lane?

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If the motorcylcle is switched off ... can you push it along a restricted bus lane?
IanWilliamson
Careful, rumour has it you are still in charge of a motorcycle when pushing it and therefore should still be wearing a helmet.
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Really? That sounds like total bollocks to me

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Really? That sounds like total bollocks to me yourebarred
Let's wait for Rusty to comment as I have been told it's correct interpretation of the law. Along the same lines that if you come off your bike for whatever reason and it careers into a bus stop full of kids you were still in charge of that bike and therefore responsible for subsequent damage/injury to others and third party.
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if you come off your bike for whatever reason and it careers into a bus stop full of kids you were still in charge of that bike and therefore responsible for subsequent damage/injury to others and third party.

brains_t
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Seems perfectly reasonable, you’d be the one who set it on that course. Who else would be responsible for it?

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Seems perfectly reasonable, you’d be the one who set it on that course. Who else would be responsible for it?

monkimark
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Or a car knocked it in that direction, it’s down to you to prove your innocence.

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Out of interest Brains....is it the same for the bus lane on the A3 coming into town, where just after a set of lights, a right fork, 2 lanes go into one and the bus lane is separated by some concrete....is about wpm long, then rejoins A3

The sign is bus and cycle…but defo a red route. Sat there loads of times.

bluelagos
Been a couple months since I last went that way, but noticed today that that section now has a rectangular sign instead of the circular one.  And we are now allowed in it.
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Yes, but you must not be sitting astride it, evening with the engine off, else it’s classes as riding. There was an article, similar to your question, printed by White Dalton’s a fewonyhs back.

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Seems perfectly reasonable, you’d be the one who set it on that course. Who else would be responsible for it?

monkimark
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Nah, if you’re involved in an accident, and your bike careers off and hits a pedestrian, then you didn’t set it on that course, weren’t in control of it, and couldn’t have prevented it, so I fail to see how you could be accountable.

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You’re insuring the vehicle & any damage it does. The way the Motor Insurance Bureau works for uninsured drivers means that if a vehicle has any insurance on it, then the insuring company is liable for any damage it does, even if the driver wouldn’t be covered by that insurance. So for example, if some scrote nicks your bike & ploughs into the aforementioned bus stop, your insurer is liable for the claims arising from it.