Ok, so just to throw a spanner in the works…
Most people are recomending the Diablo Corsa III’s. Is there much difference between these and normal Diablos?
If not, I might aswell just buy a new front…
Standard Diabolos seemed to do me fine in the wet :)but I have the 2CT on the front of the thundercat, and always got amazing grip from it.
johnnybravo (04/05/2008)
2strokes (04/05/2008)
Ducati Pete (04/05/2008) Didn’t the R6 cup use the diablo corsa 3 as a control tyre last year?Look at the times they managed to do on them.
If you think you are pushing the limits of those tyres while doing a minute plus lap of brands indie, you are very much mistaken.
Its a good point but pointless here…fast road you are unlikely to get the heat that the guys on track will get…same with myself…when out with b he reckons we were doing 58/59 second laps in the damp…in the dry I wasnt going as slow so what the issue of post 1 minute times is I have no idea, unless your just trying to make out that the tyres are better than me which I already know…still doesnt change the fact that the 2ct’s, let go on track. I am hoping that my track style is getting smoother rather than less harsh but I am still not convinced that either tyre is as good as the Supersport for fast road, and I have never had any such moments on or off track with the vipers although as I say my experience is very limited as regards track days. Dont change the laws of physics though, if the tyre dont stick it will slip and you will come off…no matter the lap times…trouble with the vipers is that they just dont last very long…
thing is dude you’re going faster and trying harder now. the 2ct is fine for grip, it’ll just be down to a trade on lean angle vs power vs conditions that did it. for road riding the tyres wont get as hot, but then you aren’t requiring them to do as much - where on the road do you corner at a 100mph with your knee on the deck?damp/wet riding you have to be super smooth to catch the wiggles from any tyre if you’re trying to go fastend of the day tho, its all personal preference - ride with whatever gives you confidence
So what would you say has a more lean angle between the 2cts and the DC3s? After my off in March my confidence has been shaken a tad, and whilst I’m not blaming my bridgestones for giving out on me, I want to get a tyre that could be more fogiving whilst I learn to lean it properly and smoothly.
2strokes (05/05/2008) hey no problem agree with your points totally…my point is that the way I ride is very aggressive with the throttle and on the track I am just way way too hard on the bike and tyres…I personally have a lot to learn about keeping the bike smooth…but it is only my 5th go at it…I will improve…But the tyres like the viper seem to give more grip sooner than the 2ct’s and corsa III’s in normal road trim, especially when ridding hard…which is the way I ride personally…but for instance on the zx10 the corsa III’s seem fine and have already done more than the Vipers in terms of miles and seem to have at least another 1000 miles on them…thats almost 2 to 3 times the mileage of the vipers…but they are not as sticky as the vipers I am sure…and with my rough style I need all the help I can get…
I’m in agreement with you here. I’ve used nothing that warms up as quick as vipers. you can feel the difference no doubt.
Anybody know what these Diablo Rosso’s are all about?
Are they a replacement for the Diablo3 or an addition to the range?
There a replacement for the standard Diablo ChunkyM
So they are not as “sporty and sticky” as Diablo Corsa 3’s then?
Diablo Corsa III ARE THE BEST
RoadKill (07/05/2008)
RoadKill (06/05/2008)
johnnybravo (04/05/2008)
2strokes (04/05/2008)
Ducati Pete (04/05/2008) Didn’t the R6 cup use the diablo corsa 3 as a control tyre last year?Look at the times they managed to do on them.
If you think you are pushing the limits of those tyres while doing a minute plus lap of brands indie, you are very much mistaken.
Its a good point but pointless here…fast road you are unlikely to get the heat that the guys on track will get…same with myself…when out with b he reckons we were doing 58/59 second laps in the damp…in the dry I wasnt going as slow so what the issue of post 1 minute times is I have no idea, unless your just trying to make out that the tyres are better than me which I already know…still doesnt change the fact that the 2ct’s, let go on track. I am hoping that my track style is getting smoother rather than less harsh but I am still not convinced that either tyre is as good as the Supersport for fast road, and I have never had any such moments on or off track with the vipers although as I say my experience is very limited as regards track days. Dont change the laws of physics though, if the tyre dont stick it will slip and you will come off…no matter the lap times…trouble with the vipers is that they just dont last very long…
thing is dude you’re going faster and trying harder now. the 2ct is fine for grip, it’ll just be down to a trade on lean angle vs power vs conditions that did it. for road riding the tyres wont get as hot, but then you aren’t requiring them to do as much - where on the road do you corner at a 100mph with your knee on the deck?damp/wet riding you have to be super smooth to catch the wiggles from any tyre if you’re trying to go fastend of the day tho, its all personal preference - ride with whatever gives you confidence
So what would you say has a more lean angle between the 2cts and the DC3s? After my off in March my confidence has been shaken a tad, and whilst I’m not blaming my bridgestones for giving out on me, I want to get a tyre that could be more forgiving whilst I learn to lean it properly and smoothly.
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sorry mate, missed this post. there isn’t really an answer to that question tho. most tyres will lean to pretty extreme angles, but will only grip best if they’re hot enough, at the right pressures, and steering/throttle/brake inputs are working with that grip rather than against it.both tyres will be more than suitable for your riding (last time out on raised stubby rearsets i was scraping my knee and my toes at times on the 2CTs for instance). its more a question of learning to work with the bike to maximise grip. learning where to put your body and using your knee to guage lean accurately
johnnybravo (07/05/2008)
RoadKill (07/05/2008)
RoadKill (06/05/2008)
johnnybravo (04/05/2008)
2strokes (04/05/2008)
Ducati Pete (04/05/2008) Didn’t the R6 cup use the diablo corsa 3 as a control tyre last year?Look at the times they managed to do on them.
If you think you are pushing the limits of those tyres while doing a minute plus lap of brands indie, you are very much mistaken.
Its a good point but pointless here…fast road you are unlikely to get the heat that the guys on track will get…same with myself…when out with b he reckons we were doing 58/59 second laps in the damp…in the dry I wasnt going as slow so what the issue of post 1 minute times is I have no idea, unless your just trying to make out that the tyres are better than me which I already know…still doesnt change the fact that the 2ct’s, let go on track. I am hoping that my track style is getting smoother rather than less harsh but I am still not convinced that either tyre is as good as the Supersport for fast road, and I have never had any such moments on or off track with the vipers although as I say my experience is very limited as regards track days. Dont change the laws of physics though, if the tyre dont stick it will slip and you will come off…no matter the lap times…trouble with the vipers is that they just dont last very long…
thing is dude you’re going faster and trying harder now. the 2ct is fine for grip, it’ll just be down to a trade on lean angle vs power vs conditions that did it. for road riding the tyres wont get as hot, but then you aren’t requiring them to do as much - where on the road do you corner at a 100mph with your knee on the deck?damp/wet riding you have to be super smooth to catch the wiggles from any tyre if you’re trying to go fastend of the day tho, its all personal preference - ride with whatever gives you confidence
So what would you say has a more lean angle between the 2cts and the DC3s? After my off in March my confidence has been shaken a tad, and whilst I’m not blaming my bridgestones for giving out on me, I want to get a tyre that could be more forgiving whilst I learn to lean it properly and smoothly.
bump
sorry mate, missed this post. there isn’t really an answer to that question tho. most tyres will lean to pretty extreme angles, but will only grip best if they’re hot enough, at the right pressures, and steering/throttle/brake inputs are working with that grip rather than against it.both tyres will be more than suitable for your riding (last time out on raised stubby rearsets i was scraping my knee and my toes at times on the 2CTs for instance). its more a question of learning to work with the bike to maximise grip. learning where to put your body and using your knee to guage lean accurately
Basically I can’t go wrong with either make then? The DC3s are cheaper and I want to replace my current Dunlops on my new bike ASAP. They’re horrible.
haha depends what you mean by ‘cant go wrong’
how much cheaper are they?
‘Can’t go wrong’ as in if I don’t ride like an absolute tool or beyond my own ability I will likely be happy with either tyre :DThey’re about £20-£40 cheaper depending on some of the places in the area.
Thanks for all the replies guys.
Ive actually just bought a new bike and it has Dunlop 207RR’s fitted. Funny, but the bike (RSV1000) seems to handle better on these then my CBR did on Diablos. Cant wait to get some Corsa III’s on!
Cant understand why you are “aggresive” with the throttle especially when you have crashed before for the same reason and as you say its your 5th trackday!!Smoothness is the key word,keep it all together smooth and you are half way there!!Also to say you are to hard on the bike and the tyres makes you out to be summat special,it takes special/skilled people to push modern litre bikes to the limits!!!
Anyway…tyres 2cts for me.
Afro
13 May 2008 20:23
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2cts for the win…
Switched to 2cts and haven’t looked back…Brilliant tyre.
2strokes if you believe the Avons work well for you, then run them. As many have alluded to, tyre choice is very subjective. A rider’s confidence in a tyre is more related to psychology than the technical specification of the hoops IMO.
bendy_600RR (03/05/2008) Hi guys,After being on my bike constantly since 12pm yesterday (making most of the sun!) my front tyre is pretty much shagged. My rear tyre is still good.
I currently use Pirelli Diablos, but just recently havent had much confidence in the front when pushing and on roundabouts.
Just wondered, anyone reccomend the Diablo Corsa III or the Pilot Power 2CT, as they’re what Im looking for. And do you know where I can get them cheap? Cheapest Ive found is £192 for the 2CT’s (delivered) or £183 for the Diablos (delivered).
When I get a new set, I will have a Diablo with about 1000 miles on if anyone’s after one?
get an AVON VIPER get one get one get one they are awesome!!!
2ct front corsa III rear…
zxyogi (13/05/2008) Cant understand why you are “aggresive” with the throttle especially when you have crashed before for the same reason and as you say its your 5th trackday!!Smoothness is the key word,keep it all together smooth and you are half way there!!Also to say you are to hard on the bike and the tyres makes you out to be summat special,it takes special/skilled people to push modern litre bikes to the limits!!!
Anyway…tyres 2cts for me.
it takes special/skilled people to push litre bikes to the limits and stay on …I push them to the limits and come off…thats the real issue…on the lap I came off I was decking the pegs on the R1…in other words I was as far over as the bike can likely go…I was still trying to get the power down, and I was not putting my knee down…bad style…as I was told…too much aggression with the throttle…I guess I need to get my butt off the seat and keep the bike more upright…got loads to learn on track…
fair play, thats a decent saving. they should be more than capable of doing what you need them too. having said that, saving 20quid wouldn’t get me to switch from my 2cts ;)just bear in mind its always a case of riding within/to the tyres limits. smooth and progressive changes are key (that progression can be fairly rapid but aggressive inputs to the bike will get you spat off in a hurry).
