Dangerous Biker

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Personally I never tried to defend what this bloke did nor suggest that it was ok.

I see bad driving/riding every day on my way to and from work, but I don’t go round telling everyone else what they’ve done wrong, because a) unless it directly impacts me it’s none of my business and b) I am not a Police Officer.

Drei can hypothesise all he likes about what could happen with that biker jumping red lights, but in this case the only person probably in danger was the biker himself. Of course the bloke was a twat, but Drei didn’t need to point out he’d jumped and red-light and can’t be overly surprised by his reaction.

It’s a bit like the time I saw a bloke doing really bad bicep curls in the gym…swinging backwards and forwards and I said to him “You keep doing that you are going to do your back in mate” and he looked at me like I’d just climbed off his missus. So now when I see twats in the gym lifting weights that are too heavy badly I think “If you hurt yourself that is your problem”.

If the biker had nearly taken out some peds then fair enough. I’ve given plenty of cyclists abuse when they have gone through crossings when people have been on the crossing, because they have actually put someone at risk at that moment. If this guy had done the same then fair enough…the response would have been the same I am sure. :slight_smile:

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I’m with you on this one Andrei. Politely mentioning he missed the red light seems the only honorable thing to do in the circumstances. It’s then up to him what he makes of that but if let’s say all of the bikers that were there at the lights with you all said the same to him then maybe he’d start thinking they have a point.

Surprised to see a driving instructor say you should ignore it…

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Yep :slight_smile:
And to add, was it really necessary to race him off the line?? P.S. you was OWNED!!! lol

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+1

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Not at all trying to correct you here as I’m not entirely sure, but my understanding was that you could only carry out a citizens arrest for an indictable offence, which I dont think running a red (in itself) would be??

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I know what you mean Waxy, it’s just very frustrating to have the ability to do something when someone’s doing something wrong, but not actually do it.

If you have the ability, you have the responsibility, and if we don’t step in, or no one takes an interest or cares enough, then what?

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The numbers game will catch up with this chap eventually. I wouldn’t bother engaging someone like this though. If they are stuipd enough to run a red light then they are incredibly ignorant. I sounded the horn at some chap who walked into the road infront of me once when I was in the car. Unfortunately the next set of lights were red and he gave me a torrent of verbal abuse. I just drove off with my wing mirrors intact. Hopefully some day he’ll try the same with someone who doesn’t give a damn and flattens him.

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exactly, i’m a driving instructor. i teach people to drive, i am not a police officer… i have challenged people when they have behaved badly directly towards me and a pupil and it has turned nasty. Why would me being a driving instructor have anything to do with not challenging someone and potentially getting into a road rage situation? i never said it was ok to run a red light… jeez, it makes you sound really narrow minded, think things through a little more!

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i go through there almost everyday, i see no problem with pointing out to him he went through a red, as he was fairly hostile responding i’d just probably ‘ok, up to you mate’ and leave it at the that.

i notice as others have that he stopped at the crossroads, but didint at the roundabout or bottom of eastern avenue, BUT there you do have line of sight at both roundabouts.

thats not defending it cos it is STUPID to do it, but think about that, some people just do things like that, bit like wheelies in silly places, most wouldnt do it,some do tho.

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I didn’t say you thought it was okay for him to run a red light. And it’s not so much that you’re a driving instructor it’s more that I was surpirsed that a driving instructor would have that attitude of not getting involved. You did seem to be saying that you would ignore it.

Fair enough you are concerned for your personal safety and of course that’s something you have to weigh up for yourself in any given situation but sometimes people (and I’m not saying this is you) seem to fear for their own safety so much that they don’t involved in any situation, whatever it is, and whatever the actual risk of personal harm. Personally I would have ridden over and had a polite word with him but being aware that he could have turned nasty I would have kept sufficient distance and been ready to take off- so not really putting myself in any danger. Maybe then I’d feel a bit guilty for saying anything as who knows it might have been a genuine mistake, cold brakes, steamed up glasses or something. But then again I would feel a hell of a lot worse if I said nothing and then watched as he mowed someone down at the next set of lights. If that’s being narrow-minded then you can keep your broad one.:slight_smile:

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KING … this don’t sound very “MILLWALL” to me :Whistling:

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I have 5 children and a business that costs me regardless if i work or not. I cannot afford to get hurt by getting involved. If i’d seen him hit someone i would have reported it and handed the footage in and tended to anyone hurt. I still wouldn’t have made contact with the guy though :), hope thats a little clearer of my view.

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I must have been lucky. I’ve intervened in the past and never been hurt but then again the times I have been hurt I’ve been just minding my own business… I agree with you on that- best to judge the risk before getting involved…

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Hands up to having my front wheel on the white line there. Just bare in mind the keychain camera doesn’t show the angle very well so I can be just before the line and you won’t be able to tell. Since I can’t remember and because I know sometimes I do it I can say sorry (only time I tend to do that is if I have bikers or cyclists behind me and they get stuck in between cars behind me, some cars tend to cross into the cyclists/mc boxes and not leave any space for them so yes I may cross the white line to let them pass but after they do I tend to roll back, I avoid crossing it as I was told off by a police officer once) Kinda like this guy:

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In regards to getting owned… my intention wasn’t to race him since my bike wouldn’t be able to, he was on a GSX and evvent if I was on my Gixer did I really want to get to 80mph brake the speed limit like he did then slam my brakes on due to speed camera just a few meters ahead and then accelerate again like a nutter? I accelerated to 43 mph and then stopped, 40mph is speed limit and I know my 43 is 40:)) I am not sure if you managed to see that there was another biker ahead of me in my lane… again why endanger anyone. I doubt I will run into him any time soon considering the weather:P

I am starting to become less sympathetic towards bikers as I keep riding because… funny enough I see more bikers braking the law than any other vehicles. Speed limits… in the city, no one sticks to them and then when a car pops up we have a go at them… for what doing 50mph in a 30mph and not having time to stop? I found that sticking to speed limits is faster because vehicles have more time to see me and yes they will make way for me to pass, no need to get stuck behind them and then beep my horn. I see that a lot, so now I stay back and let the rest rush ahead, that way I can see if they run into any hazzards and where they get stuck so I go around. I just catch them up at the next light anyhow. If I see someone in trouble and I can help I will stop and help.

Shall I even bother to say how many cars and worst bikers passed this guy in the road without stopping? Being ignorant because hey why get involved, after all we are not police officers, medics or any health specialists… right? Obviously it wasn’t our job to lend a hand… guess it was my job as a human being to do so.

His boot came up on the A12 so I decided o give him a hand. Faster and safer for me to do it than him to open the door and come out in a 40mph 3 lane road. I didn’t even had to get off my bike.

I let you guys read the following in regards to being HUMAN and then you may want to think about it, sad thing is that mroe and more of us pick option 2 since everyone around us tends to like we can see in this post:

Man can behave in three different ways:

The normal and ordinary way of behavior is termed human or human behavior. It is just to show reciprocal kindness and sympathy along with sharing and exchange of pleasantries, etc.Man when he behaves utter selfish with full of ego and egoistic desires without any regard for other man’s requirements or needs. It is the way beasts behave. This is called in-human or below human level of behavior.There are also people who sacrifice their self comforts and serve others without any ego and ego centric desires. These people serve without any sort of return in expectation. Such people are above human level. We may call them super-humans.

Herd Mentality:
How people are influenced by their peers to adopt certain behaviours, follow certain trends, etc. It is the observable tendency of people to conform to what the group is thinking or doing, irrespective of their own instincts.

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No idea what’s going on in those photos.

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Well 2nd &3rd photos shows a fellow biker that crashed in the road with people just passing by. Scooter rider and I stopped moved his bike and waited there until police and ambulance came.

4th Photo shows a car’s boot popping up, I closed it.

According to people it wasn’t my responsability to stop and do anything about those incidents… except maybe report it.

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I’m going option A.