Braking into corners

ad · 26 September 2008 15:52

who’s sydney?

Panagiotis · 26 September 2008 16:09

and I hope you didnt pick anything else up!! :w00t:

Turney · 26 September 2008 19:54

Seb#43 (25/09/2008)

Nuts (25/09/2008)

why you saying gas, you aint a yank… anyway a bit of throttle in the corner can have the same effect as using the rear as you are transferring weight to the rear, which will help you steer into the turn and tighten up your line.

It sounds like you are going in too fast. Getting good drive out the exit is better then over cooking the brakes.

No one has mentioned the reason you don’t use the rear. If you look at bikes they have a small rear disk and one or two disks on the front that are double the size. You’ll see the same thing on cars, bigger on the front, smaller on the rear. If you lock the rear it starts to skid, then it will be travelling faster then the front wheel. Basically as the wheel has lost traction it will not be stopping the bike as fast as the front wheel is. The momentum from the weight of your vehicle tries to overtake your front wheel as this is scrubbing speed faster then the potential energy of the motorcycle. This can be controlled and used to your advantage, as per Super motard riders, to help you rear wheel steer into a corner and open up the exit, but for most mortals should be avoided.

he said ‘gas’ because its just how folk use a wider vocab…

rear brake and getting on the ‘gas’ do not tighten up your line. They make your line widen…trail braking the front brake as JB has said tightens your line and scrubs speed going into a turn. With increased preload/compression dampning on your shock (this is a very very crude way of describing setup…lots of things to consider and your bike needs to be setup completely not just turn a few knobs) your bike will hold a better line on the power but still a wider line that when the forks are compressed as the wheelbase extends when the weight is off the front…of course you know this…as you know everything right?..no wait…you just got it totally wrong

I’m not sure what it is about the way you post, or it may be what you post, but it indifferently gets on my tit$.

LOL classic. You lost me after ‘vocab’. Not to worry, I’ve over simplified it. There is a great deal more to it but I’m not going into one. What you should remember is I am trying to steer away from bad habits and give advise about staying in one piece. You know, slow in fast out. That kind of thing. Not trial breaking into the apex as the gyroscopic forces of the wheels are going to try to stand your bike up… but nevermind. Lets agree to disagree.

Turney · 26 September 2008 20:15

I heard that shorter wheelbase turns faster, longer is for better corner stability. Could be wrong though, wouldn’t like to call Seb a liar :w00t:

Chief_Inspector_Jacq · 27 September 2008 10:53

The Artist (25/09/2008)

johnnybravo (25/09/2008)

Roadrunner (25/09/2008)

So, to summarise, TRACTION CAN BE ONLY USED FOR BRAKING OR STEERING, NOT BOTH AT THE SAME TIME! (Unless you’ve got the abilities of Rossi on a racetrack!) :w00t:

sorry mate but thats utter toss. you do not have to be rossi to trail brake (which is using brakes into the corner)

you tyres have a given contact patch, which has a certain amount of grip. when the bike is straight up, it has the most available for braking, when cornering on the sheer edge of the tyre knee down etc it near to no braking available.

you can trade off braking and lean together for all the degrees between, and blend off your braking pressure as you lean more. it just takes practice and everyone does it to a degree on every ride they do

for normal road riding its not necessary to trail brake into corners, but if it tightens up unexpectedly or you misjudge your speed going in its a useful skill to have. you have the most grip when cornering (ala keith code) when you’ve got 60/40 rear/front weight distribution which means being on the gass slightly

I would have to agree with JB its a useful skill to have.

But JonnyBI can’t belive you said utter toss hahahaha, your getting all old and posh mate

his girl does make him like that (posh that is)

ChunkyMonkey · 27 September 2008 18:40

Andrew&7 wrote a great article here on LB about this very thing.

Everything you need to know about cornering.

http://londonbikers.com/articles/3691/corners-a-gift-from-god-or-the-work-of-the-devil

NinjaMan · 27 September 2008 22:03

The Artist (25/09/2008)

johnnybravo (25/09/2008)

Roadrunner (25/09/2008)

So, to summarise, TRACTION CAN BE ONLY USED FOR BRAKING OR STEERING, NOT BOTH AT THE SAME TIME! (Unless you’ve got the abilities of Rossi on a racetrack!) :w00t:

sorry mate but thats utter toss. you do not have to be rossi to trail brake (which is using brakes into the corner)you tyres have a given contact patch, which has a certain amount of grip. when the bike is straight up, it has the most available for braking, when cornering on the sheer edge of the tyre knee down etc it near to no braking available. you can trade off braking and lean together for all the degrees between, and blend off your braking pressure as you lean more. it just takes practice and everyone does it to a degree on every ride they dofor normal road riding its not necessary to trail brake into corners, but if it tightens up unexpectedly or you misjudge your speed going in its a useful skill to have. you have the most grip when cornering (ala keith code) when you’ve got 60/40 rear/front weight distribution which means being on the gass slightly

I would have to agree with JB its a useful skill to have.But Jonny B I can’t belive you said utter toss hahahaha, your getting all old and posh mate

like they said… anyway i use my brakes in corners sometimes

Ratty46 · 28 September 2008 15:29

braking into corners is a difficult one…

if i make a mistake in a corner, or come in a bit hot i trail the back a tiny amount,more often than not tho just lean as much as i can and countersteer…

i USED to panic…and sit the bike up and brake. normally i ended up running off into field or summit!:w00t::w00t:

now i can do KD very confidenlty…leaning the bike over has no fears for me, so if i come in too hot i lean lean lean lean…and stay off the brakes!! i also use my engine braking (v-twin) to slow me, litlle dab on teh front brake and turn in to the corner…dont hold the brake into the corner…its not good!!

BUT in a serious situation i know its more then possible for me to sit the bike up brake and bring it to a stop safely, i have done it quite a few times…

my SV’s brakes are fiarly soft, i can turn the biek while using the front, but i have to be carefull as it makes the biek drift a bit…

its a hard call, 9/10 times tho you dont wanna be using the front brake while IN a corner and you dont wanna be braking to far into a corner.
i still believe in the thought of…‘slow in…fast out’

Seb_43 · 28 September 2008 20:59

lol are you on smack? All i said was on the power (forks are extended) thus longer wheelbase, on the front brakes (forks are compressed)thus shorter wheelbase so you turn faster on the brakes…

now please go talk utter rubbish to someone that might listen without telling you to go away.

Turney · 29 September 2008 20:45

OK got it, so you like to brake into corners.

Elad · 1 October 2008 09:32

That is what Seb said…so you agreed with him…now everyone hold hands and say ‘thank you’ to your neighbour…