This will be interesting! Don’t watch if you get angry easily. Me I’d just lock those f*king kids up. Good news it’s narrated by Stephen Mangan
http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/b01rrxyw/Barely_Legal_Drivers_Tommy_and_Chantelle/
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george.b (04/04/2013)
This will be interesting! Don’t watch if you get angry easily. Me I’d just lock those f*king kids up. Good news it’s narrated by Stephen Mangan
http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/b01rrxyw/Barely_Legal_Drivers_Tommy_and_Chantelle/[/quote]
Saw this the other night, it no wonder that young driver insurance is so bloody expensive these days when you have irresponsible tits like that on the road
50/50 really… yes I want to kill them all with a really jagged ugly brick, but I have to admit to not being the smartest nor the most respectful when I started out too… I wasn’t killed with a brick, and was allowed to learn from my own mistakes, and luckily no one paid for the one’s I made, but it is utterly impossible to stop this sort of stupidity entirely, so don’t let it get to you.
best way to look at is, how do know what “Too hot” is until you’ve experienced it for yourself? until you’ve burnt yourself you’ve only got someone else’s word for it right? the only way they’re going to learn is to experience it for themselves… unfortunately
You don’t let airline pilots crash just so they can see how far they can push the envelope. If there’s people’s lives at stake, especially innocent bystander people’s, learning from mistakes is unacceptable. I’m not saying I was the perfect driver when I started nor am I now but things like no hands driving, whether it’s because the girl is putting on makeup, texting or eating should be punished much harder because those are conscious and easily preventable though dangerous mistakes.
a small difference there, and probably not really the same thing to be honest, I’m not saying that they should be allowed to learn from their mistakes at the risk of other people…
What I am saying is… what on earth can you honestly do about it? Drive round with every teenager? If you up the age limit, you are suggesting that it was alright for you to learn from your mistakes but not them from theirs? Does that sound reasonable? Your argument is sound, but utterly unenforceable at any level, so don’t stress, just teach your kids responsibility, that’s the best you can honestly hope for unless you’re proposing tagging and GPS monitoring of children at all times… ?
I mean seriously… the real question we should ask is… is this really a surprise… teenagers have ALWAYS behaved like this… just cos you put a camera in to see them being like this, suddenly we’re up in arms… why? What for? Name 1 thing we can do, that the next generation of teenagers isn’t going to try and get around any way they can? Anyone who really thinks like this, is exactly what they are rebelling against as they discover their own identities as opposed to what’s been indoctrinated into them by their parents/us/the older generation.
Villifying them is the stupidest solution possible. YOu may want to kill them, but aren’t we the responsible adults who is supposed to be teaching not terrifying and alienating them?
For me the problem doesn’t stem from the age thing, but from how lenient the test is. You can make 15 mistakes and still pass, that to me is ridiculous.
yeah but some of those mistakes are frankly way beyond paedantic…
for ‘dangerous’ mistakes you are cut at the first one
Good grief, I seem to find I’m agreeing with the ranty one! 
Give it a few minutes & I’m sure there will be a Daily Wail droid along to demand we bring back National Service. :hehe:
Toby I am not disagreeing with you directly and yes, this is more a rant than anything else.
BUT, there has to be something we can do, I mean I’m all for teaching kids responsibility and self sufficiency rather than leading them through life with warning signs and stupid regulations which makes a complete dicks of the youth, but why are the driving tests so easy? Surely there’s no need to fast track kids towards driving. Do you know how long I’ve prepared for my theoretical part? 0 Minutes. Did I pass? Yes. Was I comfortable and felt I know enough to be let out on the roads? Hell no.
Is this unenforceable? I don’t know. To be honest it would be very difficult and would mean that policemen would have to focus more on the actual driving than just speeds but I think giving six points for texting while driving is not by any means over doing it. That would mean new drivers would get banned and learn that this behaviour is unacceptable on the roads, maybe make them do advanced learning course or something.
And no, this whole thing isn’t a surprise, it’s not a new thing and teenagers will always be stupid because they lack experience, there’s no way around it. But as you see there are solutions to prevent this kind of **** happening, yes it would mean stricter enforcement but that would benefit everyone since pricks on phones are in every age group.
Yeah I watched this…
Was a bit worrying to see some of that bad driving… Answering the phone, putting on makeup, hands off the wheel, lack of concentration, the boy doing over 100mph on a wet dark motorway. Then the lad wanted to drive his mates back when he was a bit pissed up was not good.
Mind you, it wasn’t really anything unusual. It’s the stuff you see every day. What really worried me was their sheer ignorance of the dangers and responsibilities associated with driving a car. Especially on the motorway, which is not a good place for a poor or inexperienced driver, least of all those that are not concentrating on the road. Motorway driving requires 100% attention the whole time. Lapses in concentration can lead to massive accidents and fatalities.
I think there should be more focus on this during the driving lessons and test.
I also think motorway work should be a standard part of the driving test, and that new drivers should be made aware of the concept of adapting your driving to the conditions…
Why are these kids not being penalised for the law breaking shown in the programme? ie 100mph+ driving, mobile phone use etc…?
I wonder which one of you spot the lenient approach of parents. If one does that we can change something. Otherwise no test/course will do that.
R
ps my favourite two “120 maybe but 100 is not that bad”, “apology that we were looking what you doing”
And the outcome… well I think they got it the wrong way round, without spoiling anything!
+1 on Conrad’s comments
Which one of those kids do you think would allow themselves to be filmed doing stupid things for a program knowing they could end up being prosecuted…
Without these assurances these programmes would never be made, rightly so. I wouldn’t put myself at risk of prosecution so that the BBC can get ratings on programmes.
That is probably the nicest thing anyone has ever said to me 
And sorry but… http://www.ncsyes.co.uk/
I can answer that one too I’m afraid. In order to be allowed to make a programme like this, the kids will have to be granted freedom from prosecution BEFORE they take part.,… otherwise, their guardians (as they aren’t legal adults) would never allow them to take part.
Believe me its hard enough to see crime in real life, let alone in a postiion to film it from multiple camera angles…
Freedom from prosecution granted by whom? Anyone want to commission the BBC to do a ‘how reckless are motorcyclists?’ documentary and give us all free-reign for the day? 
“Barely sane bikers”
True freedom of prosecution could not be granted by the BBC. I don’t know the answer to that but I’m sure it’s quite standard because there are so many documentaries on drugs, prostitution etc so it’s the only way to get people talking (and doing stuff).
I’m sure if the BBC deemed it viewer material they could do something similar… But the idea would not be to just do dangerous stuff?
Maybe I’ve got it wrong but I can’t see how else these documentaries are made?
I don’t mean to sound harsh but give it a rest.
The exposure people are accustomed to is UTTERLY UNREAL.
There is NO freedom from prosecution, merely the promise from the production team that they won’t hand over personal details to the authorities…
Is everyone genuinely this unaware of how things work…
YOU ARE CATTLE… you shop, you consume and occassionally you are upset about how your drudge comes to pass…
THERE IS NO CONSPIRACY THEORY BECAUSE NO ONE CARES ABOUT YOU… at least no one who has any real power. MPS ARE IMPOTENT… they are symbols of the lie that our “democracy and freedom” Bush/Blair propaganda culture loves…
YOU ARE LOSERS YOU ARE NOTHING… YOU ARE CANON FODDER…
God are you all this thick really?>
Go buy a fucking iPod and stop thinking that your opinions has any value whatsoever… you losers!