Army pay freeze

Not many due to the fact, I dont like hanging around with girls.

I did an exercise with the RAF reg…it was basically Marines vs Raf, they took it so seriously, like there life depended on it, half way through we took a 3 hour break and still smashed them…I even think one little raf dude got rifle butted for good measure.

I went to Hereford to meet my brother(Pathfinders) as he was topping up on his drills and I saw some lads starting there SF, you had a group of Royals, another group of paras/AACC Rifles then 2 RAF lads on there own with no one to talk to, they didn’t passs by all accounts.:slight_smile:

Thats easy to say when youre earning more than the average…

Firstly, @RobC, I think you’d be surprised at how many Forces/Ex-Forces are on LB, and I thoroughly back what you are saying about ALL of the Tri-Services doing their bit in the many conflicts we get involved in.
What a lot of people,who haven’t been on op’s, don’t seem to realise is that warfare nowadays isn’t like it used to be. As soon as troops hit the ground (regardless of Service/Capbadge) they are surrounded!
It’s easy for them to sit in the house, watching the various documentaries and news reels, and form their own oppinions on how the “Green Zones” are like being on holiday, and everybody is “Safe” until they leave the confines of the base/camp.

Ok, now for the reality check! The vast majority of the public do not realise that the troops who go out to these places do so not knowing if they will be coming back to spend the bonus they receive!

Full list of up to date casualty and fatality numbers HERE

They look at the things we take for granted as luxuries! Imagine being in a place where the closest thing to a shower is your mate pouring bottles of water over you (if you’re lucky) and you are under constant threat of attack, Green Zone or not!
Imagine not knowing if you’re not going to see your mates again every time they go out on patrol. Not being able to have a couple of beers after a long day at work. Not being able to nip down the shop and buy a few chocalate bars… The list goes on!

It’s not like the movies, it’s not like the documentaries. The men and women on those documentaries are usually putting a brave face on it, mainly for proffessionalism, also for the fact that they don’t want people to know that they are usually fed up, tired and probably (if theyre honest about it) a little bit scared!

And (almost at the end of this), no offence Jewell, but before you start dishing out the abuse to people who’ve been there and done it I think you need to get some operational experience under your belt fella! :wink:
As said, no offence meant, but having personally spent roughly three and a half years of my life on live ops in both Kosovo and Northern Ireland, it’s not the sort of thing you can get a feeling for through family ties etc… It’s something you will only understand when you’ve actually been in the situation where your arse is trying to eat the seat you’re sat on! :satisfied:
Doing an exercise with the RAF doesn’t mean you’ve seen them at there best or worse, it just means you’ve seen them on exercise! And, if it seemed to you that they were treating the whole thing as if their lives depended on it, whilst your lads were more relaxed about things, ask yourself who got more out of the exercise? I only say this because I’ve been there and seen the elitism that goes on in the forces, and it only lasts as long as it takes for the first few rounds of effective enemy fire to start bouncing around your feet! At which point you don’t care who’s next to you, as long as they’re banging the rounds down! :wink:

So, if you have issues with how much you’re being paid in relation to the people around you, change jobs! It’s easily done nowadays! Or, as we used to say in the Royal Engineers, “If you’ve got an issue, grab a tissue!”… :wink: :stuck_out_tongue:

Lastly, the reason that Royal Engineers get paid more is that they work harder than everyone else! :wink: :stuck_out_tongue:

(PULL PIN AND RETIRE TO A SAFE DISTANCE!) :w00t:

Agree 100% - as mentioned above, if you don’t like your job change careers or service. I do appreciate that there are quite a few LB’rs that have done military service. As I recall (after 19 years in the RAF) the boot necks are the only ‘force’ that does naked wrestling! Now if that ain’t gay I’m sorry I don’t know what is! Oh my mistake its ‘‘male bonding’’ yeah right! I’m sorry Jewellery, if all your going to do is **** stir on this thread, then I’m not going to continue a conversation with you as your points are immature and therefore immaterial.

Interesting, hearing all these view points. We had a debate on this subject in my politics class today, and some of the points raised in here were very well reflected. Half the class didn’t realise that when ‘back at base’, troops are still very much in a danger zone. Or that the Navy had troops and assets deployed in Afghan.

And don’t get me wrong, I’m not trying to pass judgment from the view of someone who’se been on ops, although it’s what I want to do, I haven’t done it, and won’t for some time. Thus I more take the view of a bystander who is a little more informed than Joe public.

Jeez, no sense of humour. 19 years of basically living in a hotel, with zero contacts…

And the big banks that tax payer’s money floated are now reporting gains.

** Privatise profits, socialise problems! **

+1 here

-as a serving member of the RAF i find the rant about the RAF and navy V small minded-I did a tour of Afghanistan and for 4months I was working 36hrs on and then about 5hrs off…had i not have done that NO helicopters withing the whole of Nato would have flown. That would include RAF, Army and Navy. Its one team out there, every little peice makes a big difference