Hope someone can help me. Have you heard of ABUS chain and locks? Apparently a big German brand and better than Oxford. Any views?
They are supposed to be better than cheaper brands like Oxford but not as good as Almax. I had an Abus lock and chain given to me with my first bike but it got left somewhere…long story but I had no issues with it while I had it.
might get an ABUS for now, so at least I have one and then find an Almax
thanks for that
I also have Abus and have no issues with it. The lock part can also be used as a disc lock?
hmm… apparently someone had his bike stolen and they just cut the ABUS chain…
http://londonbikers.com/forums/Topic602253-35-1.aspx
If you gonna fork out the cash might as well get the Almax chain with the proper lock:
i know we all probably bang on about almax but when you actually see the difference you will see wot we are on about.
there really is no substitute to almax.
17 seconds to cut both sides of 1 link an abus: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cpf35C7wu6Q
cutting an almax, see the difference: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-bZMvrPo34g
and these are genuine.
zanx use to do it at the shows but when asked to do an almax he would say will do 1 l8r and get a load of pepes in 1 go rather thean 1 at a time cos unlike the sh1te chains the almax would break the bolt croppers, when asked if they were blunt he would put new blades on too.
ask yourself, wots your bike worth to you?
Worth noting. The Almax Immob IV is so big, it might not fit through your bike easily and may well end up scratching it up. But hey - a scratched bike is better than no bike!
The larger Peugeot scooters come with ABUS chains as an option. I have one, and they are bloody heavy and cleverly lock from underneath the seat, so there is no external lock to pick.
So they can just lift it up then cut the chain when they get to their place?
Yes well obviously you put it through the wheel only when you are parked in a standard Westminster motorcycle bay - ie, when there is nothing secure to chain it to and just hang on…
Otherwise, you could this:
Get almax, not much more money. I bought an ABUS and not had any problems but wasn’t too much cheaper than almax and hindsight I’d have bought the latter.
Oh come on vids made by Almax, they spend the first 2 minutes fecking about with the almax chain, they clearly aint going at it as heavily as the other tests.
On the second test “proved to last 5 minutes” they stand around chatting for at least 45 seconds.
Sure I dont dispute the almax is loads better and is unbolt-croppable which can only be a good thing but any thief worth his salt will bring a disc cutter and its bye bye bike.
My point is, if they want it badly enough they will have it. All you can do is deter them.
(goes out and buys an Almax 
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I used to sell Abus locks and have been to the factory in Germany.
An excellent product (not biased anymore) and Abus is (or was then at least) the biggest manufacturer of these sorts of security products in Europe.
When in the factory I had a massive pair of bolt cutters and an A0037 padlock shackle to try and cut through it and there was absolutelly no chance. One of my colleagues was a burly rugby player and he couldn’t manage it.
All depends which level of product you buy, PM me if you want anymore info.
load of twaddle, reason they are pissing about is they cant get the link into the jaws of the croppers, they are that big!
most go for the chain links cos they are softer!
If you buy the granite hardened chain it’s made of the same stuff.
Almax here. And they do a very good line in ground anchors. If you give them a ring (get the number from the website someone posted earlier) they’re really helpful on the phone too, and you might be able to wiggle yourself into some discount or a Kriega bag to put the chain in.
thanks everyone for your tips and comments, it’s greatly appreciated. For now (needed one right away) I have bought an ABUS and will order the Almax. I will have to try and measure it so I am sure it will fit through the wall fixing, not much point if I cannot attached it 
thanks again