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RE: tyre warmers

Ducati Pete — Sat, 05 Jul 2008 03:27:53 GMT

You don't NEED tyre warmers, especially if you are on sporty road rubber like diablo corsa or 2ct but they are lovely.

HWW all the way for me. I used them when superM racing cos they are tough AND if you have a problem HWW have a great repair service that is inexspensive AND offers a fast turn around.

RE: tyre warmers

Gruntmon — Sat, 05 Jul 2008 00:15:53 GMT

I didn't use warmers on my first trackday and I certainly didn't consider it wasted laps. It's just one more thing to faff with. I might change my mind later but I was more worried about the other bits of my bike screaming for relief by the end of the day and all the other idiots doing something stupid because they were tired and didn't know when to quit. The guy who turned up at 4pm knew what he was doing.

RE: tyre warmers

johnnybravo — Fri, 04 Jul 2008 19:55:58 GMT

[quote][b]breaker (03/07/2008)[/b][hr][quote][b]johnnybravo (03/07/2008)[/b][hr]haven't used the racetec ones - how much are they/do you have a link?

have a look at diamond racing ones. very good value for money at about 160. HW are a bitmore pricey but pretty popular for trackdays also (I've got a set of these and work well). warmers are great - its one less thing to worry about when you head out. you also dont have to ride a few laps with soggy tyres

having said that, you definitely can ride without warmers. the problem is that whilst we're all talking about the 3 laps warm up, too many people will start to get carried away and start pushing too soon - "oh sod it, 2 laps will be fine" or "there goes my mate, i'll chase him"....... and end up on their ass. way too many people crash on trackdays on cold tyres.

also bear in mind a tyres heat will be local to its use - if its lots of right handers, be a bit careful on the left (another reason why the 3 laps is important)[/quote]

johnny the racetec ones are 90 quid of ebay but i thought why so cheap!!

that is exactly why i want the warmers, cant get of the bike with a thermometer and check the temp ;)
im glad that someone is on my wavelength

and for 90 quid id willingly pay that for "peace of mind"

then spend the money i saved on the warmers on some part used slicks!! :D

[/quote]

there a lot of cheaper branded ones around and some I'm sure some work well. prob is aside from the quality that sometimes suffers when you get the cheapo ones (from how well they're made, to the termostatic controls) there is also the product back up - diamond and HWW are very good for repairing any failed units and turn 'em around quickly for you. you're paying a bit more to start with but may pay off in the long run (esp as trackdays are pretty addictive!)

oh, and definitely do not buy slicks. unless you're at the cutting edge of the fast group and can push the tyres hard, the tyres will give you way less grip as they're not going to stay hot enough (and you can only really use 'em if its bone dry etc).

for your first novice day any road/race rubber will be more than good enough for what you need (and will be road legal should you need to ride there and back). they also give you more of a range of temperature and weather that you can ride in.

just checking but you do know you have to have the bike on paddock stands to use warmers right?

have a look at the trackday section as theres some good info on there and feel free to chat to any of us on the LB day too.

RE: tyre warmers

poutywombat — Fri, 04 Jul 2008 16:25:58 GMT

Trackdays are like that perfect bit of road that you find once in a blue moon and wish would never end..

Get ya self in the novice group mate, put ya yellow jacket on have a wander round see what ya think... you'll have a ball..

:hehe:

RE: tyre warmers

breaker — Fri, 04 Jul 2008 15:51:50 GMT

[quote][b]poutywombat (04/07/2008)[/b][hr]Far too much focus is put on which group you go in. dont worry about it,they can move you about if you feel you're not happy..

You've done track day before?[/quote]

no never done one but have been thinking about it since my big off

to many idiots on the road and to much stuff to hit and if i hit something its gonna hurt!!!!!

RE: tyre warmers

poutywombat — Fri, 04 Jul 2008 15:46:41 GMT

Far too much focus is put on which group you go in. dont worry about it, they can move you about if you feel you're not happy..

You've done track day before?

RE: tyre warmers

poutywombat — Fri, 04 Jul 2008 15:44:18 GMT

I use MOTO GP non digital ones, got them for about £100 last year.

They make a difference for sure, you do notice it, and stopping the tyres heat cycling all day seems to get more life out of each set.

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breaker — Fri, 04 Jul 2008 10:26:44 GMT

thats the next question i need to know

what group do i book into!

novice or inters!!!

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breaker — Fri, 04 Jul 2008 10:17:21 GMT

[quote][b]Elad (04/07/2008)[/b][hr]Hehe come on mate, book the LB trackday, you know you want to![/quote]

lol i do and i will!! just had a lot of **** to do the last couple of days

RE: tyre warmers

Elad — Fri, 04 Jul 2008 09:39:23 GMT

Hehe come on mate, book the LB trackday, you know you want to!

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breaker — Fri, 04 Jul 2008 08:58:07 GMT

[quote][b]frogga (03/07/2008)[/b][hr]+1 to all of the above :D:P

once you do u first trackday you`l wana do more and the more you do the less time you`ll be wanting to wait for your tyres warm up.

my tyre warmers give me the confidence to go faster earlier. i got mine off of evilbay too remember to always turn them off before you take them off and also take them off b4 you start ur bike in gear (i had a very bad day!!!)[/quote]

thanks frogga ill try and remember that!!
i bet its an easy mistake when rushing to get out on track!!

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frogga — Thu, 03 Jul 2008 22:17:20 GMT

+1 to all of the above :D:P

once you do u first trackday you`l wana do more and the more you do the less time you`ll be wanting to wait for your tyres warm up.

my tyre warmers give me the confidence to go faster earlier. i got mine off of evilbay too remember to always turn them off before you take them off and also take them off b4 you start ur bike in gear (i had a very bad day!!!)

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Steve... — Thu, 03 Jul 2008 20:18:45 GMT

I got mine from M and P, £99 with a pair of paddock stands thrown in. Probably cheapo make but they work well enough. Don't forget you'll need a generator too for places like Cadwell which don't have garages and power.

RE: tyre warmers

breaker — Thu, 03 Jul 2008 18:43:23 GMT

[quote][b]johnnybravo (03/07/2008)[/b][hr]haven't used the racetec ones - how much are they/do you have a link?

have a look at diamond racing ones. very good value for money at about 160. HW are a bitmore pricey but pretty popular for trackdays also (I've got a set of these and work well). warmers are great - its one less thing to worry about when you head out. you also dont have to ride a few laps with soggy tyres

having said that, you definitely can ride without warmers. the problem is that whilst we're all talking about the 3 laps warm up, too many people will start to get carried away and start pushing too soon - "oh sod it, 2 laps will be fine" or "there goes my mate, i'll chase him"....... and end up on their ass. way too many people crash on trackdays on cold tyres.

also bear in mind a tyres heat will be local to its use - if its lots of right handers, be a bit careful on the left (another reason why the 3 laps is important)[/quote]

johnny the racetec ones are 90 quid of ebay but i thought why so cheap!!

that is exactly why i want the warmers, cant get of the bike with a thermometer and check the temp ;)
im glad that someone is on my wavelength

and for 90 quid id willingly pay that for "peace of mind"

then spend the money i saved on the warmers on some part used slicks!! :D

RE: tyre warmers

johnnybravo — Thu, 03 Jul 2008 16:53:11 GMT

haven't used the racetec ones - how much are they/do you have a link?

have a look at diamond racing ones. very good value for money at about 160. HW are a bit more pricey but pretty popular for trackdays also (I've got a set of these and work well). warmers are great - its one less thing to worry about when you head out. you also dont have to ride a few laps with soggy tyres

having said that, you definitely can ride without warmers. the problem is that whilst we're all talking about the 3 laps warm up, too many people will start to get carried away and start pushing too soon - "oh sod it, 2 laps will be fine" or "there goes my mate, i'll chase him"....... and end up on their ass. way too many people crash on trackdays on cold tyres.

also bear in mind a tyres heat will be local to its use - if its lots of right handers, be a bit careful on the left (another reason why the 3 laps is important)

RE: tyre warmers

breaker — Thu, 03 Jul 2008 15:49:32 GMT

[quote][b]poutywombat (03/07/2008)[/b][hr]Motor Sport Vision, jonathanpalmer, they own brands hatch,cadwell, oulton..

You'll be absolutely fine on track without warmers mate, dont let that put you off going! you dont need them,your tyes will ride there ride round all day and ride home no bother.. ;)[/quote]

thanks wombat makes sense when you go to the website!!!!:w00t:

it wont put me off!!!! its just i like to be prepared!!!:D

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poutywombat — Thu, 03 Jul 2008 15:23:49 GMT

Motor Sport Vision, jonathan palmer, they own brands hatch, cadwell, oulton..

You'll be absolutely fine on track without warmers mate, dont let that put you off going! you dont need them, your tyes will ride there ride round all day and ride home no bother.. ;)

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breaker — Thu, 03 Jul 2008 13:29:22 GMT

[quote][b]Elad (03/07/2008)[/b][hr][quote][b]breaker (03/07/2008)[/b][hr]as i said before it is down to confidence!!!

IMHO
if your not confident with your bike you are gonna be riding with a doubt in your head

so not getting the most out of the bike!!
[/quote]

Hehe although the grip on track is huuuge compared to the road...Also you might be able to hire tyre warmers/paddock stands at the LB track day, have a word with MSV and get it booked up!![/quote]

LOL im dying to book it!!!

who is MSV?

RE: tyre warmers

Elad — Thu, 03 Jul 2008 13:12:20 GMT

[quote][b]breaker (03/07/2008)[/b][hr]as i said before it is down to confidence!!!

IMHO
if your not confident with your bike you are gonna be riding with a doubt in your head

so not getting the most out of the bike!!
[/quote]

Hehe although the grip on track is huuuge compared to the road...Also you might be able to hire tyre warmers/paddock stands at the LB track day, have a word with MSV and get it booked up!!

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breaker — Thu, 03 Jul 2008 13:03:55 GMT

[quote][b]Elad (03/07/2008)[/b][hr][quote][b]Seb#43 (03/07/2008)[/b][hr]sorry but it is wasted laps, whether you are in novices or fast, and if you are going to be spending time on track then get yourself some decent warmers.

tyres don't like loads of heat cycles especially getting road biased rubber up to such high temperatures.

best value for money are diamond security warmers and you'll find them on ebay. great after sales care etc. For the dogs danglies HWW are awesome but cost a pretty penny. I find the DS ones are good enough for little ol me.[/quote]

Agree with you there mate, maybe just jealous cos I can't afford them (to busy paying for track days!!) - but was suggesting to the OP that not doing a trackday just because you dont have tyre warmers is a waste...[/quote]

as i said before it is down to confidence!!!

IMHO
if your not confident with your bike you are gonna be riding with a doubt in your head

so not getting the most out of the bike!!

RE: tyre warmers

Elad — Thu, 03 Jul 2008 12:52:28 GMT

[quote][b]Seb#43 (03/07/2008)[/b][hr]sorry but it is wasted laps, whether you are in novices or fast, and if you are going to be spending time on track then get yourself some decent warmers.

tyres don't like loads of heat cycles especially getting road biased rubber up to such high temperatures.

best value for money are diamond security warmers and you'll find them on ebay. great after sales care etc. For the dogs danglies HWW are awesome but cost a pretty penny. I find the DS ones are good enough for little ol me.[/quote]

Agree with you there mate, maybe just jealous cos I can't afford them (to busy paying for track days!!) - but was suggesting to the OP that not doing a trackday just because you dont have tyre warmers is a waste...

RE: tyre warmers

breaker — Thu, 03 Jul 2008 11:59:54 GMT

RE: tyre warmers

Bionic. — Thu, 03 Jul 2008 10:55:34 GMT

sorry but it is wasted laps, whether you are in novices or fast, and if you are going to be spending time on track then get yourself some decent warmers.

tyres don't like loads of heat cycles especially getting road biased rubber up to such high temperatures.

best value for money are diamond security warmers and you'll find them on ebay. great after sales care etc. For the dogs danglies HWW are awesome but cost a pretty penny. I find the DS ones are good enough for little ol me.

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Elad — Tue, 01 Jul 2008 13:32:29 GMT

+1 to that... the warm up laps are not THAT slow anyways...

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Steve... — Tue, 01 Jul 2008 11:01:03 GMT

[quote][b]breaker (01/07/2008)[/b][hr]yer i thought you dont REALLY need them but its just piece of mind!!!

and plus thats three laps wasted every session!!!!!':D'[/quote]

They say that but I don't see it as wasted laps, you need a lap anyway to get your brain, oil, brakes up to temperature and a couple of laps to build speed, you're not really going to go balls out first or second lap anyway unless you're some kind of expert (appologies if you are, hard to tell on LB ;) ) so tyre warmers or not, you still need at least 2 laps if not 3 to pick it up. My fastest laps are usually laps 4 or 5 even when I had tyre warmers at Cadwell.

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breaker — Tue, 01 Jul 2008 10:47:16 GMT

yer i thought you dont REALLY need them but its just piece of mind!!!

and plus thats three laps wasted every session!!!!!':D'

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Elad — Tue, 01 Jul 2008 10:43:15 GMT

You dont really need tyre warmers unless you are running slicks...just give it 3 laps and your tyres will be up to temp...just book the trackday and see!

tyre warmers

breaker — Tue, 01 Jul 2008 09:31:24 GMT

ive just been looking at some racetech tyre warmers.
has anyone ever used them if so what are they like, any fault's, things that people may notice about them.

i wanna book a track day but cant see the point until i get some warmers.

so i need to get some for the LB track day then i will book up!!!