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Posted 03 December 2008 00:21


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I made an observation 2 years ago when I first bought my R1 and almost crashed it 3 days later.

At the time, I put my actions to avoid the crash down to luck, but reading the current issue of Bike magazine and the words of professional road race instructor Dave Luscombe, my reactions to the situation may have contributed in saving my bacon.

I'd just left FWR after they'd fitted a new set of Pirelli Diablos (the touring compound type) to my bike. They turned out to be crap tyres for an R1 but that's another story.

So, being a numpty and forgetting everything about giving new tyres 100 miles + of moderate use to bed in and offer optimal grip, I turn right out of the shop, give an optimistic amount of throttle, and find my trousers are beginning to fill as fast as the back end is going out of alignment with the front.

I have no idea what made me pull the clutch in at this point, but I did so and the bike sort of snapped back into shape.

Looking around to check no one saw this display of ineptitude, I rode off and put the scare behind me.

So it was only reading Bike magazine today that I realised I did something right...

This won't work every time obviously (lots of variables that dictate what will happen when a tyre slides), but if you ever find yourself on the brink of a highside, you don't really have many options left so...

"You can avoid a highside by being aware of your back wheel. Don't apply excessive power when the bike is lent over.

If in doubt, wait until you're upright again before getting on the power.

If you feel the rear end start to go, you should pull the clutch in. This will let the back wheel slow down gradually and regain traction.

If you close the throttle, the engine braking of a four stroke will lock the back wheel, (causing it to) then instantly regain traction and cause a highside."





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Posted 03 December 2008 10:35


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Nice post Afro.. read the same article a couple of days ago and got me thinking that the most important thing from this is to be aware of what the bike is telling you...

when this happens the danger is to fall into a sense of false security, that can be dangerous especially when roads are as icy as they are at the moment!

Ps the fact that you had the R1 for a couple of days means that the bike was speaking but you weren't understanding




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Posted 03 December 2008 10:40


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Is that in the 'What is grip?' feature? I haven't read that yet.

Excellent advice, especially in this weather!

My DAS instructor told us: 'If in doubt, pull in the clutch'.... best advice ever!

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Posted 03 December 2008 16:02


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I manage to survive rear end slides by holding onto the tank hard and keep the throttle open. It feels much the same as drifting a car, if you close the throttle it'll go tits up.



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Posted 03 December 2008 18:02


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Lucky escape Afro, the embarrasment could have been worse than the physical pain mate.

What happened to you there was not the sterotypical highside more a case of cold tyres by the sounds of it.

I haven't read the article in Bike mag but have never heard of grabbing the clutch to save a highside. To save a highside needs very quick reactions and would take too long to grab it in time in my opinion.

Just a gentle roll off of the throttle will do or if you're a top class racer they just hold a constant throttle and control the slide with finesse



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Posted 04 December 2008 18:25


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Just a gentle roll off of the throttle will do or if you're a top class racer they just hold a constant throttle and control the slide with finesse

Thats correct, I've done this! £1200 was the cost of repair as I remember!

Just a gentle roll off the throttle is what I do now. This is due to 2 things. The first is that I'm very old and have slow reactions and by the time I am making some input the bike is already half way to sorting my mess out. The second is why the bike has started to cover it is that as the bike slides out from underneath you, the bikes rotation is already winding off throttle (on an R1 I'd be on my ear)! But if anyone asks, it is my skill and ability that saves the day!





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Posted 04 December 2008 19:08


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Just a gentle roll off of the throttle will do or if you're a top class racer they just hold a constant throttle and control the slide with finesse

Thats correct, I've done this! £1200 was the cost of repair as I remember!

Just a gentle roll off the throttle is what I do now. This is due to 2 things. The first is that I'm very old and have slow reactions and by the time I am making some input the bike is already half way to sorting my mess out. The second is why the bike has started to cover it is that as the bike slides out from underneath you, the bikes rotation is already winding off throttle (on an R1 I'd be on my ear)! But if anyone asks, it is my skill and ability that saves the day!

I can relate to highsides being expensive McC, if you're really unlucky the bike can do quite good Triple Salcos

I'm glad highsides are not common for bikers on the road, just as well, there's enough to deal with already.

Your supermoto skills must keep your reactions sharp McC. Been thinking of getting one myself but then again I'm not using my road bike enough.



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Posted 04 December 2008 21:51


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so rather than advocating learning throttle control (and letting the bike self correct if it can), it advocates pull in and hope?  um, sod that





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