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| | This morning riding into the office I saw a guy in front of me nearly get T-boned by a cabbie has he pulled off a U turn from the inside lane on a normal stretch of road.... Using the diagram below: 
If the bike is the blue showing his filtering position and that, and the red is a bus, the red arrow shows the taxi's manouver.... If the bike and the taxi had collided, who's fault would it have been? Is it a legal move? or not? I must admit, since my mate had a car pull out on him, I'm very very cautious of buses pulled over or stopped...I can see over most cars but not buses or vans!
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| I'd imagine that it's not strictly legal to do a U-turn like that but it seems to be a standard black cab u-turn. If there was a collision I'd imagine that the low life cabbie would manage to wriggle his/her way out of taking any of the blame for the accident as they usually seem to do.
As you might have noticed I'm not much of a fan of black cab drivers, infact I think that in general they are the lowest of the low when it comes to London drivers
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| | I am not a lawyer, but.... Assuming that there are no signs prohibiting U-Turns then maneuver itself would be legal. However if as a result of performing that U-Turn he causes danger to other traffic he may be guilty of careless or inconsiderate driving. The issue as to who was at fault from an insurance company/civil court point of view is quite complicated, and the way that you were filtering would need to be examined but I would imagine you would have a reasonable chance of proving most if not all of the liability would be the cabbies. Sadly it's not as straight forward as "it is legal and was I in the right".....
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| as mentioned i think its more complicated than a simple answer... but usually the filterer is at fault.
If the black car has given way, then the taxi is doing a legal manuever, there is no way he would be expected to see a biker filtering, since that biker could appear out of nowhere in a split second. Of course this all depends on speeds, and more importantly how good your lawyer is 
When in doubt... a filtering bike is usually at fault... which is why you should be filtering at a slow enough pace to detect and respond to any hazards.
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| I don't have anything legal to say.
Just wanted to point out what a splendid drawing that is kml 
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| Mole (05/09/2008)
I don't have anything legal to say. Just wanted to point out what a splendid drawing that is kml I was pretty busy in work today 
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| | My experience of cab drivers in London, after over 10 years of year-round commuting, is that they are the best drivers in our capital. I am surprised to hear of this incident as I always find them to be very observant when making their U-turns. I find the worst drivers to be (in order, from most to least dangerous): mothers in 4x4s with kids doing the school run, Royal Mail van drivers, other delivery van drivers, white van man, and bus drivers (but not bendy bus drivers as they seem to be very considerate towards bikes). Johnse1 and Mamady's answers are good and both tally with my understanding of the situation in cases like this.
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| eezyrida (05/09/2008)
My experience of cab drivers in London, after over 10 years of year-round commuting,is that they are the best drivers in our capital. I am surprised to hear of this incident as I always find them to be very observant when making their U-turns. I find the worst drivers to be (in order, from most to least dangerous): mothers in 4x4s with kids doing the school run, Royal Mail van drivers, other delivery van drivers, white van man, and bus drivers (but not bendy bus drivers as they seem to be very considerate towards bikes).
Johnse1 and Mamady's answers are good and both tally with my understanding of the situation in cases like this.
I take it when you mention 'cab drivers' that you're not including minicab drivers ??
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